We have an OL that can't pass block and can't open up holes for any RB who ever played the game. The OL has to be the top priority above all else. Penn looked like he was trying to hide yesterday, and the rest were simply over-matched. The best we have is a converted basketball player and he is still learning the game. A rookie QB won't change anything dealing with these guys. Free agency AND the draft have to be used to bolster this unit. The main focus has to be improving the talent level on offense. They're last in the league. The defense is not far from being a top ten unit. A free agent or two could be enough to get them there. The OL needs a major overhaul and a couple of TEs that can block. Top competition for Glennon is a luxury we can't afford right now. The Bucs need those picks for a decent LT and a C that can actually do something after he hikes the ball. I believe Schiano knows talent on the playing field, but struggles with picking the right coaches. IMO, he deserves a third season to prove he can get it right. This D is certainly better than the one he inherited. I'd like to see what he has in mind for the offense. It has to be his major concern.
Bucs definitely need two new OL starters. Glennon situation depends on which QB's are available and the new coordinator or coaching staff.
We have an OL that can't pass block and can't open up holes for any RB who ever played the game. The OL has to be the top priority above all else. Penn looked like he was trying to hide yesterday, and the rest were simply over-matched. The best we have is a converted basketball player and he is still learning the game. A rookie QB won't change anything dealing with these guys. Free agency AND the draft have to be used to bolster this unit. The main focus has to be improving the talent level on offense. They're last in the league. The defense is not far from being a top ten unit. A free agent or two could be enough to get them there. The OL needs a major overhaul and a couple of TEs that can block. Top competition for Glennon is a luxury we can't afford right now. The Bucs need those picks for a decent LT and a C that can actually do something after he hikes the ball. I believe Schiano knows talent on the playing field, but struggles with picking the right coaches. IMO, he deserves a third season to prove he can get it right. This D is certainly better than the one he inherited. I'd like to see what he has in mind for the offense. It has to be his major concern.
Bucs definitely need two new OL starters. Glennon situation depends on which QB's are available and the new coordinator or coaching staff.
I'd say they need three, possibly four if Joseph can't return to form. It's useless to bring in any QB behind this OL. It'd be a slaughter. Even the coaches and gameplan are irrelevant considering the blocking abilities of this bunch. Nicks won't be back. He's done IMO. The OL is the keel of this ship, and it's rotted.
Simply put, we could do better.
LOL at all of you that think Manziel or Mariota will put us back to our winning ways again. Rookie QB and we're starting over again. I think everyone would be well served to remember that.
What's funny is how you would make such a moronic comment, when just a year earlier 3 rookie QB's took their teams to the play offs.
Hilarious. You think this crop of QBs is as good as Luck, pre-injury RGIII or Russell Wilson. Even funnier? You called my comment moronic. Pot. Kettle. Black.
It amazes me the stupidity that's on these boards. If you're really trying to use a fallacy to save face, stop. It's pathetic.
What's funny is how you would make such a moronic comment, when just a year earlier 3 rookie QB's took their teams to the play offs.
do you think that rg3 or andy dalton could take the Bucs to the playoffs? do you think there is a QB in the draft as good as andrew luck?
I could say yes or no, and it wouldn't have any barring on the subject.Theory fighting proves nothing in regards to the statement made that Rookie QB's means starting over. Which was exposed for a dumb comment.
Andy Dalton did it the year before.
Dalton has the best WR in the game IMO in Green, and a plethora of other weapons. He hasn't always lit it up either.
Rookie QB's means starting over.....That's the statement made, and in three years, four QB's said otherwise. If you want to argue the particulars, that is another subject, and has no place in the original argument. The question could be would Andy Dalton be succesful without Green. Which I'm not interested in discussing, for one reason only, I don't care.
Reading through all of these comments it seems the big issue is the OL. Basically the exact same OL we had last year.........when everything was Freeman's fault.So which is it? If the OL is that bad then Freeman had a superb year last year.Its all relative, people. We played Atlanta and the OL were all-pro. We played the Seahawks during their two game mid season funk and our OL looked great. We play the Buffalo Bills, SF 49ers, and St.Louis Rams and suddenly we need to replace them all? Get a clue about our competition people. I really don't think the Seahawks are going to get rid of Okung because he gave up sacks to Arizona. The Saints aren't going to get rid of Levi Brown because Robert Quinn got two sacks off of him. You have to be aware of reality. Reality dictates that Robert Quinn is going to kick your ass regardless of who your LT is. The way that great QBs overcome these types of things are: Watch Brady Manning and Rodgers, they make quick decisions and get rid of the ball quickly. That overcomes 90 percent of your OL problems. Or watch Russell Wilson, Kap, and RG3. They overcome with great pocket awareness and scrambling ability.No NFL QB is ever going to have all day to sit back there and pick apart defenses.....unless Rutgers can schedule Atlanta 5 times a year.
Reading through all of these comments it seems the big issue is the OL. Basically the exact same OL we had last year.........when everything was Freeman's fault.So which is it? If the OL is that bad then Freeman had a superb year last year.Its all relative, people. We played Atlanta and the OL were all-pro. We played the Seahawks during their two game mid season funk and our OL looked great. We play the Buffalo Bills, SF 49ers, and St.Louis Rams and suddenly we need to replace them all? Get a clue about our competition people. I really don't think the Seahawks are going to get rid of Okung because he gave up sacks to Arizona. The Saints aren't going to get rid of Levi Brown because Robert Quinn got two sacks off of him. You have to be aware of reality. Reality dictates that Robert Quinn is going to kick your ass regardless of who your LT is. The way that great QBs overcome these types of things are: Watch Brady Manning and Rodgers, they make quick decisions and get rid of the ball quickly. That overcomes 90 percent of your OL problems. Or watch Russell Wilson, Kap, and RG3. They overcome with great pocket awareness and scrambling ability.No NFL QB is ever going to have all day to sit back there and pick apart defenses.....unless Rutgers can schedule Atlanta 5 times a year.
Post of the fucking year!Bravo sir...Bravo
i could say yes or no, and it wouldn't have any barring on the subject.Theory fighting proves nothing in regards to the statement made that Rookie QB's means starting over. Which was exposed for a dumb comment. question could be would Andy Dalton be succesful without Green. Which I'm not interested in discussing, for one reason only, I don't care.
c'mon. if you arent willing to accept there are different situations...or you arent willing to accept that different players have different abilities...then why bring it up?rookie QB's succeed because of a few reasons. 1 - they are amazing. 2 - their offense is already amazing. 3 - their defense is amazing. 4 - their team is amazing.
Simply put, we could do better.
LOL at all of you that think Manziel or Mariota will put us back to our winning ways again. Rookie QB and we're starting over again. I think everyone would be well served to remember that.
What's funny is how you would make such a moronic comment, when just a year earlier 3 rookie QB's took their teams to the play offs.
Hilarious. You think this crop of QBs is as good as Luck, pre-injury RGIII or Russell Wilson. Even funnier? You called my comment moronic. Pot. Kettle. Black.
It amazes me the stupidity that's on these boards. If you're really trying to use a fallacy to save face, stop. It's pathetic.
Stupidity? You suggested that rookie QBs could take their teams to the playoffs and then used RGIII, Wilson and Luck as examples, while failing to identify that these examples were clearly outliers from a superior draft class. How is it stupid to suggest that the '14 draft class isn't as stocked as the '12 in the franchise QB department? Please explain, because you sure as hell didn't in your response. Probably because you can't.
Reading through all of these comments it seems the big issue is the OL. Basically the exact same OL we had last year.........when everything was Freeman's fault.So which is it? If the OL is that bad then Freeman had a superb year last year.Its all relative, people. We played Atlanta and the OL were all-pro. We played the Seahawks during their two game mid season funk and our OL looked great. We play the Buffalo Bills, SF 49ers, and St.Louis Rams and suddenly we need to replace them all? Get a clue about our competition people. I really don't think the Seahawks are going to get rid of Okung because he gave up sacks to Arizona. The Saints aren't going to get rid of Levi Brown because Robert Quinn got two sacks off of him. You have to be aware of reality. Reality dictates that Robert Quinn is going to kick your ass regardless of who your LT is. The way that great QBs overcome these types of things are: Watch Brady Manning and Rodgers, they make quick decisions and get rid of the ball quickly. That overcomes 90 percent of your OL problems. Or watch Russell Wilson, Kap, and RG3. They overcome with great pocket awareness and scrambling ability.No NFL QB is ever going to have all day to sit back there and pick apart defenses.....unless Rutgers can schedule Atlanta 5 times a year.
Post of the **CENSORED**ing year!Bravo sir...Bravo
YEAH! POST OF THE YEAR! We should have kept the QB that was a locker room cancer! He was the leader of this team! Always showing up when he was supposed too! Always going out of his way to help the team! ANDDD back to reality.
i could say yes or no, and it wouldn't have any barring on the subject.Theory fighting proves nothing in regards to the statement made that Rookie QB's means starting over. Which was exposed for a dumb comment. question could be would Andy Dalton be succesful without Green. Which I'm not interested in discussing, for one reason only, I don't care.
c'mon. if you arent willing to accept there are different situations...or you arent willing to accept that different players have different abilities...then why bring it up?rookie QB's succeed because of a few reasons. 1 - they are amazing. 2 - their offense is already amazing. 3 - their defense is amazing. 4 - their team is amazing.
Not at all, I agree with you in regards to different situations, and I also agree with you in regards to different abilities, but that's not what we're talking about. Someone made a statement, which has no merit. Disproving it was effortless, yet we're discussing it as if it has any merit. "Rookie QB's means starting over" Wrong. If you want to discuss your topic at hand then that's a different story, but it's not the same thing that was mentioned.
Simply put, we could do better.
LOL at all of you that think Manziel or Mariota will put us back to our winning ways again. Rookie QB and we're starting over again. I think everyone would be well served to remember that.
What's funny is how you would make such a moronic comment, when just a year earlier 3 rookie QB's took their teams to the play offs.
Hilarious. You think this crop of QBs is as good as Luck, pre-injury RGIII or Russell Wilson. Even funnier? You called my comment moronic. Pot. Kettle. Black.
It amazes me the stupidity that's on these boards. If you're really trying to use a fallacy to save face, stop. It's pathetic.
Stupidity? You suggested that rookie QBs could take their teams to the playoffs and then used RGIII, Wilson and Luck as examples, while failing to identify that these examples were clearly outliers from a superior draft class. How is it stupid to suggest that the '14 draft class isn't as stocked as the '12 in the franchise QB department? Please explain, because you sure as hell didn't in your response. Probably because you can't.
It wasn't a suggestion, it was a fact. Suggestion means it was up for debate, discussion, and/or argument, which it's not. It doesn't matter what the draft class was, you should've had the common sense not to make such a statement. It's ridiculous that you would even try to disregard this, but you're here trying to save face, so I get it. The fact remains, three examples rather you accept or not, is factual evidence that you are wrong. You can refute, make excesses, or flat out ignore this, but it doesn't change the fact. Furthermore, you don't have to look far to get the fourth example I gave. Just a post later I mentioned Andy Dalton from the year before, a second round pick, yet it's convenient that you ignore this...What's the excuses this time? That class was also superior? How convenient... So count them, four examples. I'm being nice this time, because I believe deep down you accept this regardless of your ego.
Did you think we forgot so soon?
Loser plays the race card. Lol.
Its more than just that, but you wouldnt understand. Black coaches and black QBs especially get a shorter leash. I dare you to argue otherwise
I want Glennnon back. We have all seen good things from him. He can make great throws. He can lead long drives. He can make great reads. The problem is he can't do that consistently. What we need to find out is if that is "rookie" making him inconsistent or "stupid" making that happen. Now, because he hasn't shown he is ready to wear the big boy pants he can't come back with only Orlovsky oN the roster. I'd want to see a fall back plan like a Locker or even Schaub or Cassell. None of those are super answers but frankly Schaub and Casssel are guys who, in some other scheme that doesn't suck, can drag you to 8-8 in their typical years. Locker is more of a Hail Mary but why not?
Chris OwusuTiquan UnderwoodSkye DawsonEric PageIf Glennon cannot ride that gravy train to greatness without run support, then he needs to go.
I'm quoting this for emphasis. There is not a QB in the league that would look good in this situation. Question for you guys- of our 10 non QB offensive starters how many would start for the Broncos? I count Vjax as a maybe and that's it. Hell only about 4 of our starters would even make their team as depth.I am convinced that given a decent supporting cast that Glennon can be a very good QB. Not saying he needs to be surrounded by all pros, but NFL quality starters like every other good QB has. How bad did Kap look when Crabtree went down? And yet he still had Gore, Bolden, and Davis. I just don't understand how some of you guys can't see that Glennon has no help out there. A play that takes 4 seconds to develop will not work when your QB only has 2. When our only decent reciever has a safety over him all the time and is often double covered on top of that and not one of these other scrubs can make a play what is Glennon supposed to do? When your running game is averaging less than 2 ypc the dline is just gonna start t'ing off. I swear some of you guys just read the stats sheets and have no idea how football actually works.
Chris OwusuTiquan UnderwoodSkye DawsonEric PageIf Glennon cannot ride that gravy train to greatness without run support, then he needs to go.
I'm quoting this for emphasis. There is not a QB in the league that would look good in this situation. Question for you guys- of our 10 non QB offensive starters how many would start for the Broncos? I count Vjax as a maybe and that's it. Hell only about 4 of our starters would even make their team as depth.I am convinced that given a decent supporting cast that Glennon can be a very good QB. Not saying he needs to be surrounded by all pros, but NFL quality starters like every other good QB has. How bad did Kap look when Crabtree went down? And yet he still had Gore, Bolden, and Davis. I just don't understand how some of you guys can't see that Glennon has no help out there. A play that takes 4 seconds to develop will not work when your QB only has 2. When our only decent reciever has a safety over him all the time and is often double covered on top of that and not one of these other scrubs can make a play what is Glennon supposed to do? When your running game is averaging less than 2 ypc the dline is just gonna start t'ing off. I swear some of you guys just read the stats sheets and have no idea how football actually works.
QBs make WRs look good. Do you really think any of Brees WRa are good outside of NO? Who the heck is Rivers throwing to? Brady is throwing to a world of spares. Point is that while the WRs we have are not good they do not explain why our passing attack is so ineffective.
I agree. If Glennon can't take some practice squad dudes and look like Brees or Brady, then he needs to go.
Which WRs did Brady have looking good early in the year? They played like trash and He looked like trash.
