If he doesn't look like at least ryan, yeah, sit him and bring in competition.I'm sorry, but I'm done with the pampering excuses of qb's with the bucs. Prove it or find someone else. And keep looking until you find something/someone that works.Doing nothing is also a form of giving up. Let's get that damn position solidified however we must.
i could say yes or no, and it wouldn't have any barring on the subject.Theory fighting proves nothing in regards to the statement made that Rookie QB's means starting over. Which was exposed for a dumb comment. question could be would Andy Dalton be succesful without Green. Which I'm not interested in discussing, for one reason only, I don't care.
c'mon. if you arent willing to accept there are different situations...or you arent willing to accept that different players have different abilities...then why bring it up?rookie QB's succeed because of a few reasons. 1 - they are amazing. 2 - their offense is already amazing. 3 - their defense is amazing. 4 - their team is amazing.
Not at all, I agree with you in regards to different situations, and I also agree with you in regards to different abilities, but that's not what we're talking about. Someone made a statement, which has no merit. Disproving it was effortless, yet we're discussing it as if it has any merit. "Rookie QB's means starting over" Wrong. If you want to discuss your topic at hand then that's a different story, but it's not the same thing that was mentioned.
Simply put, we could do better.
LOL at all of you that think Manziel or Mariota will put us back to our winning ways again. Rookie QB and we're starting over again. I think everyone would be well served to remember that.
What's funny is how you would make such a moronic comment, when just a year earlier 3 rookie QB's took their teams to the play offs.
Hilarious. You think this crop of QBs is as good as Luck, pre-injury RGIII or Russell Wilson. Even funnier? You called my comment moronic. Pot. Kettle. Black.
It amazes me the stupidity that's on these boards. If you're really trying to use a fallacy to save face, stop. It's pathetic.
Stupidity? You suggested that rookie QBs could take their teams to the playoffs and then used RGIII, Wilson and Luck as examples, while failing to identify that these examples were clearly outliers from a superior draft class. How is it stupid to suggest that the '14 draft class isn't as stocked as the '12 in the franchise QB department? Please explain, because you sure as hell didn't in your response. Probably because you can't.
It wasn't a suggestion, it was a fact. Suggestion means it was up for debate, discussion, and/or argument, which it's not. It doesn't matter what the draft class was, you should've had the common sense not to make such a statement. It's ridiculous that you would even try to disregard this, but you're here trying to save face, so I get it. The fact remains, three examples rather you accept or not, is factual evidence that you are wrong. You can refute, make excesses, or flat out ignore this, but it doesn't change the fact. Furthermore, you don't have to look far to get the fourth example I gave. Just a post later I mentioned Andy Dalton from the year before, a second round pick, yet it's convenient that you ignore this...What's the excuses this time? That class was also superior? How convenient... So count them, four examples. I'm being nice this time, because I believe deep down you accept this regardless of your ego.
So what "factual" evidence are you talking about? Manziel and Mariota have yet to play a snap in the NFL. Regardless of what RGIII, Luck, and Wilson did in 2012, won't change that 'fact". Therefore, I am free to state an opinion that I think these guys will be garbage in the NFL. So, you instead try to give us a history lesson and use the '12 draft class as an example. Got it. I suppose it's a "fact" that people can be struck by lightening. It's a "fact" that people can win the lottery. It's a "fact" someone can date Kate Upton. What you fail to comprehend are the chances of those "facts" happening. Could it happen? Absolutely. Could it happen to the Bucs? Doubt it. Again, I'm going to use the word "outlier". You should look it up and figure out what it means. The "fact" remains, that you use a handful of outliers to make your case that a rookie QB (I used Manziel and Mariota in my original post) could take this team to the playoffs. Seeing that NONE of the rookies QBs in this class have the talent of Luck/RGIII/Wilson, I'm saying that it's not going to happen. Please explain:A) Why I would have to "save face" for what many (maybe not on this board but rational adults) would consider common senseB) Why you think that Manziel/Mariota...etc. are better than Luck/RGIII/WilsonC) Why you think that the opinion of Manziel/Mariota not having the talent to take this team to the playoffs next season is "moronic" :-* :-* :-*
Other than Boyd, Manziel, Bridgewater, or McCarron, there isn't a QB I'd want to see us taking in the first two rounds. Seriously, Freeman was an absolute embarrassment as a rookie and we gave him a second chance. He was arguably worse in his 3rd year and we gave him a fourth. Glennon statistically has been pretty damn good this year considering the situation. His #2 receiver could barely play and eventually ended up on IR. His top 3 running backs ended up on IR (why is Brian Leonard on the team if he still isn't getting touches?). He's using an UDFA wide receiver as his #2 target and tight end. Our #3 receiver ended up being cut. Don't get me started on how bad I think the "Giants South" offensive coaching is. Glennon may not be a franchise QB but the idea of taking a system-based, soft-as-tissue paper guy in Mariota, a bum like Hundley, or Blake Bortles and putting our franchise in their hands just wreaks of a panic move.Now, I'd gladly take Aaron Murray in the 4th-5th rounds assuming he falls.
My official stance is that we should not rely on Mike Glennon for the 2014 season. The last few games have been very bad. While NFL offenses are pretty much averaging 300 to 400 yds per game we are stuck at/slightly above or slightly below 200. This is unacceptable.I think he has value in relief work.He is not good enough to take this team to the playoff.If Schiano thinks he can win games with a game manager QB in this league he needs to go too.
HE sucks ass, terrible draft pick a total waste.
OK, who gives a shit about stats, he is a statue and has zero presence in the pocket ,and it was a wasted draft pick...he is the perfect quarterback for that sorry ass offense that they run 1980's
Yet when we hit a No huddle or quick time routes Glennon is pretty damn good. I want to see him in a scheme that actually suits his skill set and not this precambrian O. I want to see what Glennon has next year before I pass judgement as nothing in next years QB draft class screams to me that they are a must draft pick.
A 3rd round pick capable of a 20TD/10INT season while thrown into the dictionary definition of a dumpster fire is a waste of a pick. Interesting.
Ok, I'll chime in why some thoughts. We will not get to the playoffs with Glennon like I said in my post "Glennon is no the answer" True anything can happen, but when I look back at how Free had 4k plus yards he was so dang inconsistent. We wanted to see the Free of 2010. Now we have a tall accurate, but non elusive QB who has to beable to escape in this league. I'm not saying we we need a scrambler, but my god you need to beable to move out of the pocket in a hurry IF the play breaks down. Note: Rogers he isn't the quickest, but he knows his reads and if it anitn there he is gone and can get the first...Glennon when he moves its....well you all saw the tape looks like a slow a....giraffe galloping and then getting pounded. I know some think its on the line......yes you must have a great line at times, but dam it when the play breaks down weather it be 2 seconds or 5 you have to be ready to take off and D's have watched enough of Glennon this year licking their chops just daring him to run! I am sick of the excuses year in and year out.....This is on Dom too he knew last year Free was on the bubble even with the 4000 yards....WHY because free was inconsistent, so we went out and got Revis and others take the pressure off of Free right from the Coaches and Doms mouth! But like SAPP AND DUNGY SAID...."YOU BUILD THE D UPFRONT, NOT FROM THE BACK" don't get me wrong I was hopeful it would work and love Revis as we were giving up insane yards on D. So, if they knew this then IMO we should have sought after someone to get us over the hump......A vet maybe if there were any available to push Free for the job! My point is that person was supposed to step in and take the reigns from Free this of course is IF he would have been traded last season, but Free came back and was the same old over throwing, underthrowing, non remembering how to run, soon to be "head case" that he turned out to be. I'll be the first one to eat crow if he Glennon works out, but I'd highly doubt it and want playoffs not more 7-9 8-8 4-12 years while we SEE if he is the answer..wasted 5 on Free!!!
Completion percentage: #25Yards per attempt: #38QB rating: #19
i could say yes or no, and it wouldn't have any barring on the subject.Theory fighting proves nothing in regards to the statement made that Rookie QB's means starting over. Which was exposed for a dumb comment. question could be would Andy Dalton be succesful without Green. Which I'm not interested in discussing, for one reason only, I don't care.
c'mon. if you arent willing to accept there are different situations...or you arent willing to accept that different players have different abilities...then why bring it up?rookie QB's succeed because of a few reasons. 1 - they are amazing. 2 - their offense is already amazing. 3 - their defense is amazing. 4 - their team is amazing.
Not at all, I agree with you in regards to different situations, and I also agree with you in regards to different abilities, but that's not what we're talking about. Someone made a statement, which has no merit. Disproving it was effortless, yet we're discussing it as if it has any merit. "Rookie QB's means starting over" Wrong. If you want to discuss your topic at hand then that's a different story, but it's not the same thing that was mentioned.
Simply put, we could do better.
LOL at all of you that think Manziel or Mariota will put us back to our winning ways again. Rookie QB and we're starting over again. I think everyone would be well served to remember that.
What's funny is how you would make such a moronic comment, when just a year earlier 3 rookie QB's took their teams to the play offs.
Hilarious. You think this crop of QBs is as good as Luck, pre-injury RGIII or Russell Wilson. Even funnier? You called my comment moronic. Pot. Kettle. Black.
It amazes me the stupidity that's on these boards. If you're really trying to use a fallacy to save face, stop. It's pathetic.
Stupidity? You suggested that rookie QBs could take their teams to the playoffs and then used RGIII, Wilson and Luck as examples, while failing to identify that these examples were clearly outliers from a superior draft class. How is it stupid to suggest that the '14 draft class isn't as stocked as the '12 in the franchise QB department? Please explain, because you sure as hell didn't in your response. Probably because you can't.
It wasn't a suggestion, it was a fact. Suggestion means it was up for debate, discussion, and/or argument, which it's not. It doesn't matter what the draft class was, you should've had the common sense not to make such a statement. It's ridiculous that you would even try to disregard this, but you're here trying to save face, so I get it. The fact remains, three examples rather you accept or not, is factual evidence that you are wrong. You can refute, make excesses, or flat out ignore this, but it doesn't change the fact. Furthermore, you don't have to look far to get the fourth example I gave. Just a post later I mentioned Andy Dalton from the year before, a second round pick, yet it's convenient that you ignore this...What's the excuses this time? That class was also superior? How convenient... So count them, four examples. I'm being nice this time, because I believe deep down you accept this regardless of your ego.
So what "factual" evidence are you talking about?
Manziel and Mariota have yet to play a snap in the NFL.
No Sh!t moron, try keeping up, next time you make a ridiculous comment.
Regardless of what RGIII, Luck, and Wilson did in 2012, won't change that 'fact".
"It wasn't a suggestion, it was a fact. Suggestion means it was up for debate, discussion, and/or argument, which it's not. It doesn't matter what the draft class was, you should've had the common sense not to make such a statement. It's ridiculous that you would even try to disregard this, but you're here trying to save face, so I get it. The fact remains, three examples rather you accept or not, is factual evidence that you are wrong. You can refute, make excesses, or flat out ignore this, but it doesn't change the fact. Furthermore, you don't have to look far to get the fourth example I gave. Just a post later I mentioned Andy Dalton from the year before, a second round pick, yet it's convenient that you ignore this...What's the excuses this time? That class was also superior? How convenient... So count them, four examples. I'm being nice this time, because I believe deep down you accept this regardless of your ego. "
Therefore, I am free to state an opinion that I think these guys will be garbage in the NFL.
Absolutely, it's a shame you were to moronic to do so, or we wouldn't be having a conversation over your idiotic statement, which clearly you are backing out of with, I meant my opinion, pff. Just pathetic...
So, you instead try to give us a history lesson and use the '12 draft class as an example.
History lesson, making you look foolish, it's all the same. Call it what you will, it doesn't change anything. Just further confirms the facts.
Got it. I suppose it's a "fact" that people can be struck by lightening. It's a "fact" that people can win the lottery. It's a "fact" someone can date Kate Upton. What you fail to comprehend are the chances of those "facts" happening. Could it happen?
It's also a fact that you're a simpleton, and it's also a fact that you just don't get it. Moreover, it's also a fact that rather than own up to it, and accept being wrong, all of a sudden it's your opinion. Convenient.
Absolutely. Could it happen to the Bucs? Doubt it. Again, I'm going to use the word "outlier". You should look it up and figure out what it means.
A bit pompous of you to surmise, rather I know or don't know the meaning of a word. 
The "fact" remains, that you use a handful of outliers to make your case that a rookie QB (I used Manziel and Mariota in my original post) could take this team to the playoffs.
"It wasn't a suggestion, it was a fact. Suggestion means it was up for debate, discussion, and/or argument, which it's not. It doesn't matter what the draft class was, you should've had the common sense not to make such a statement. It's ridiculous that you would even try to disregard this, but you're here trying to save face, so I get it. The fact remains, three examples rather you accept or not, is factual evidence that you are wrong. You can refute, make excesses, or flat out ignore this, but it doesn't change the fact. Furthermore, you don't have to look far to get the fourth example I gave. Just a post later I mentioned Andy Dalton from the year before, a second round pick, yet it's convenient that you ignore this...What's the excuses this time? That class was also superior? How convenient... So count them, four examples. I'm being nice this time, because I believe deep down you accept this regardless of your ego. " "Comprehension??? When I have to post the same paragraphs three times, it's counter productive, yet here we are covering the same thing over and over. You just don't get it.
Seeing that NONE of the rookies QBs in this class have the talent of Luck/RGIII/Wilson, I'm saying that it's not going to happen.
Another ridiculous claim... Proof?
Please explain:A) Why I would have to "save face" for what many (maybe not on this board but rational adults) would consider common senseB) Why you think that Manziel/Mariota...etc. are better than Luck/RGIII/WilsonC) Why you think that the opinion of Manziel/Mariota not having the talent to take this team to the playoffs next season is "moronic" :-* :-* :-*
Well at least you know your ABC's so it's not a total waste of time.
So, if they knew this then IMO we should have sought after someone to get us over the hump......A vet maybe if there were any available to push Free for the job! My point is that person was supposed to step in and take the reigns from Free this of course is IF he would have been traded last season, but Free came back and was the same old over throwing, underthrowing, non remembering how to run, soon to be "head case" that he turned out to be. I'll be the first one to eat crow if he Glennon works out, but I'd highly doubt it and want playoffs not more 7-9 8-8 4-12 years while we SEE if he is the answer..wasted 5 on Free!!!
Weren't there reports that the Bucs were after Carson Palmer but failed to get him?
So, if they knew this then IMO we should have sought after someone to get us over the hump......A vet maybe if there were any available to push Free for the job! My point is that person was supposed to step in and take the reigns from Free this of course is IF he would have been traded last season, but Free came back and was the same old over throwing, underthrowing, non remembering how to run, soon to be "head case" that he turned out to be. I'll be the first one to eat crow if he Glennon works out, but I'd highly doubt it and want playoffs not more 7-9 8-8 4-12 years while we SEE if he is the answer..wasted 5 on Free!!!
Weren't there reports that the Bucs were after Carson Palmer but failed to get him?
Key word in bold.
The Bucs won their SB with Brad Johnson. BJ in his prime would be ranked the fourth best QB in the NFCS right now. We don't need to have the best QB in the division to win a SB. We need the best team. Right now the defense has the advantage in talent level. Gruden/McKay filled in the holes on offense and won a SB with Brad Johnson. BJ was in the twilight of his career, and never competitive again. Mike Glennon is at the dawn of his. He needs an OL, some weapons, and a gameplan that matches his skillset. If Schiano/Dominik can deliver that, the Bucs can have the best team in the NFCS.A year ago the fowlgoons had the best record in the league and were 7-1 at home. Their only loss was to the Bucs. Their QB has played in 15 games this season and odds are the fowlgoons will be picking ahead of the Bucs in the draft next may. Matt Ryan has the benefit of years of experience and a veteran coaching staff, and yet his team will likely finish fourth behind the Bucs.It's a team game, and this team needs much more than a second straight year with a rookie QB. Glennon may never be our Peyton Manning, but he very easily could be our next Brad Johnson if Schiano/Dominik can do for the offense what they have done for the defense in two short years.Merry Xmas everyone.
The Bucs won their SB with Brad Johnson. BJ in his prime would be ranked the fourth best QB in the NFCS right now. We don't need to have the best QB in the division to win a SB. We need the best team. Right now the defense has the advantage in talent level. Gruden/McKay filled in the holes on offense and won a SB with Brad Johnson. BJ was in the twilight of his career, and never competitive again. Mike Glennon is at the dawn of his. He needs an OL, some weapons, and a gameplan that matches his skillset. If Schiano/Dominik can deliver that, the Bucs can have the best team in the NFCS.A year ago the fowlgoons had the best record in the league and were 7-1 at home. Their only loss was to the Bucs. Their QB has played in 15 games this season and odds are the fowlgoons will be picking ahead of the Bucs in the draft next may. Matt Ryan has the benefit of years of experience and a veteran coaching staff, and yet his team will likely finish fourth behind the Bucs.It's a team game, and this team needs much more than a second straight year with a rookie QB. Glennon may never be our Peyton Manning, but he very easily could be our next Brad Johnson if Schiano/Dominik can do for the offense what they have done for the defense in two short years.Merry Xmas everyone.
yep! All we need is one of the 5 best defenses in NFL history and possibly go back 12 years in time.
Do you want this team to spin its wheels for another year GT? Gotta try to find that QB.
i don't completely think the spinning wheels is from the qb.
