You guys are overanalyzing this way too much.He is a difference maker on the field, he plays the strongside on 1st and 2nd down and on 3rd down he rushes the passer. He can play in your base formation as a linebacker and he can play in your sub packages as a edge rusher.The labels on defensive players are being viewed in too old fashioned of a way. If he is there at #7 he would be an outstanding pick, with his pass rush ability and the Falcons picking higher, I doubt he makes it there.
I think if we are looking at passing down-only (or primarily) guys, it's better to wait. I'd rather take my chances on somebody like Dee Ford in round 2 than use a 7th pick on Mack if I weren't sure he could play 3-downs.
That's what I am saying. Justin Houston was a 3rd round pick. If you need an undersized one dimensional pass rusher you can get great value in the mid rounds. SF got Corey Lemonier in the 3rd. Every year these guys drop to the 3rd round. That is where you get your one dimensional pass rushers, not in the top 10.
Like Means?
Means is a 5 year project in a league where you get 2 or 3 if it goes badly. No. Lemonier and Houston are the mold.
You guys are overanalyzing this way too much.He is a difference maker on the field, he plays the strongside on 1st and 2nd down and on 3rd down he rushes the passer. He can play in your base formation as a linebacker and he can play in your sub packages as a edge rusher.The labels on defensive players are being viewed in too old fashioned of a way. If he is there at #7 he would be an outstanding pick, with his pass rush ability and the Falcons picking higher, I doubt he makes it there.
Exactly . This isn't rocket science . Not hard to make use of great players - especially great pass rushers.
You guys are overanalyzing this way too much.He is a difference maker on the field, he plays the strongside on 1st and 2nd down and on 3rd down he rushes the passer. He can play in your base formation as a linebacker and he can play in your sub packages as a edge rusher.The labels on defensive players are being viewed in too old fashioned of a way. If he is there at #7 he would be an outstanding pick, with his pass rush ability and the Falcons picking higher, I doubt he makes it there.
Exactly . This isn't rocket science . Not hard to make use of great players - especially great pass rushers.
I agree.. Sometimes I think no one can talk themselves out of picking great players like Tampa fans.
You guys are overanalyzing this way too much.He is a difference maker on the field, he plays the strongside on 1st and 2nd down and on 3rd down he rushes the passer. He can play in your base formation as a linebacker and he can play in your sub packages as a edge rusher.The labels on defensive players are being viewed in too old fashioned of a way. If he is there at #7 he would be an outstanding pick, with his pass rush ability and the Falcons picking higher, I doubt he makes it there.
Exactly . This isn't rocket science . Not hard to make use of great players - especially great pass rushers.
I agree.. Sometimes I think no one can talk themselves out of picking great players like Tampa fans.
So true ...paralysis by analysis going on in here.
Again, you don't just take "great" players. You take players who fit what you do. Ask NE if they are busy just taking any old guy or if they draft for system fit. Back in the day we weren't taking big fat DT's because they didn't do what worked in this defense. The idea that we just stand Means up is silly. He's awful at that from what little film I've seen of him trying to do that. He has no feel for coverage and playing the run from a 43 LB spot is a lot different than what he is used to. Now, granted the old "2 down" thing is gone and the nickle is the base by and large but in many ways at his size that exposes him to a lot more abuse because now teams will run a lot more out of that nickle than they used to in the "old days" when it was really just a pass formation with draws as the run plays.I like the player and in a lot of way this is why a lot of teams run the 34 because finding that 240-250 lbs pass rusher is a lot easier than finding that 270+ guy who can move.
Someone who can kill the QB fits what everyone does. It's the name of the game.
You take me if you want to have the defensive rookie of the year. Simple as that.
Someone who can kill the QB fits what everyone does. It's the name of the game.
...and you know I'm all about that. I was the one man Simoen Rice fan club back when everyone was whining about him running by draws or some other nonsense. If I thought Mack could go out and drop 12 sacks on the opposition I would kidnap Licht's children to make us draft him. Honestly, if he is drafted I would hope he plays hand down at RDE and we flop AC to the left side. I really think that is his best spot anyways assuming his palsy can let him do the job there because he is not a RDE.
Just for the record I am hoping for Barr and not Mack ....but I wouldn't shed a tear if we drafted Mack.
I think if we are looking at passing down-only (or primarily) guys, it's better to wait. I'd rather take my chances on somebody like Dee Ford in round 2 than use a 7th pick on Mack if I weren't sure he could play 3-downs.
That's what I am saying. Justin Houston was a 3rd round pick. If you need an undersized one dimensional pass rusher you can get great value in the mid rounds. SF got Corey Lemonier in the 3rd. Every year these guys drop to the 3rd round. That is where you get your one dimensional pass rushers, not in the top 10.
Justin Houston was drafted in the 3rd round because he failed his drug test at the Combine and teams were worried he was a total idiot. He was at one time mocked to be a mid-to-late 1st round pick. As for Corey Lemonier, maybe he'll turn into a good player, but he had one sack as a rookie. Let's not anoint him as anything yet.
The labels on defensive players are being viewed in too old fashioned of a way.
Could not have said it better. The smart coaches evaluate players for situational match ups.
The labels on defensive players are being viewed in too old fashioned of a way.
Could not have said it better. The smart coaches evaluate players for situational match ups.
I don't think anybody disagrees with those two statements. But you also draft players in the top 7 if they are just situational guys. If the Bucs don't think Mack can't cut it as a 4-3 end, we aren't taking him. It's that simple. If Mack were a Von Miller-level player that you build a defense around it would be different.Is he?
The labels on defensive players are being viewed in too old fashioned of a way.
Could not have said it better. The smart coaches evaluate players for situational match ups.
I don't think anybody disagrees with those two statements. But you also draft players in the top 7 if they are just situational guys. If the Bucs don't think Mack can't cut it as a 4-3 end, we aren't taking him. It's that simple. If Mack were a Von Miller-level player that you build a defense around it would be different.Is he?
In all likelihood Mack won't be as good as Von Miller because Miller is simply as good as it's possible to be. And it's very possible at #7 overall the Bucs will have a shot at a player like Watkins or Robinson who project as very good players with well-defined conventional positions. But as for the thinking of not using high picks on situational players, almost every NFL game is decided by less than a touchdown. If you can get a player who can affect a situation that can produce one extra punt, fumble, or INT on a 3rd down which helps you win the game, I think he's worth it.
You can say that about any player at any position. The question is about value. Do I want a guy who can play 60% of the snaps at 7 overall? Especially if I can get somebody like Dee Ford possibly with the second round pick?I want to point out that I'm not putting Khalil Mack down as only a situational player - I haven't figured it out yet.
