Hope springs eternal when taking your meds with bourbon chasers.The Bucs are going to take care of business against the Panthers.
The Saints are going to knock off the Falcons.
The Bucs will win at least 1 playoff game.
Bowels will be back next season with some changes made to the coaching staff.
Fans will be disappointed and vent their anger on various boards.
DUDE....i want what you are smoking. Imagine this team winning a playoff game. Holy hell
What’s your poison of choice?
No, but Koetter thankfully didn’t get 5 years to prove that mediocrity was his pinnacle achievemnt.
You could give Koetter 5 years (and the corresponding division championships) and not a single person here is calling him a DEI hire as that last mediocre season goes south.
That is the point: illustrated perfectly above. The DEI claim is not about Bowles as much as it is about the the posters who make the claim, especially those who are making the claim because of the perceived anonymity. Wouldn't say the same thing to Bowles or about Bowles, if their family was standing near.
Moving on, their fate is themselves.
The only thing tempering this is that I believe the fanbase has already voted.
I agree. This feels more like the Gruden scenario or the Schiano scenario described in the Fab 5.
I don’t think so, Koetter came in with promise. There was no choice with Bowles. I think Arians “retired” and the timing was such that there was little time for a coaching search, the owners had to play along. The first season showed a lot of promise with the Brady talent still on the roster, we made it past the wildcard and played very well in the loss to Detroit in the next round. The (smaller) “fire Bowles” crowd didn’t like the way Bucco Bruce transitioned our Bucs into the Bowles era - as their repeated claims were that he had never been above .500 winning percentage. They wanted an offensive minded coach but were forced to watch a very conservative defensive minded coach squander a lot of plays, TO’s and limited the aggressive nature of the offense, for the sake of a distill-decent defense.
The squandering continued, the non-aggressive play calling on offense continued, but the defense was worse.
As I recall, Koetter got the hook very quickly - which tends to make the now growing crowd that want Bowles fired wonder why we extended him with so little to show for it.
Sorry, I haven’t agreed with the take, but I don’t see racists crawling out of the woodwork. I see angry fans being driven crazy lashed to a very conservative HC that can’t fix his own defense but also takes a heavy hand in the offensive game planning & maybe even play calling. They’re searching for answers as to why the owners/GM keep him around.
I know that I’m now scratching my head as to why he wasn’t on the hot seat last season, and why he isn’t on the hot seat for not making defensive pre-season FA moves, and no mid-season trades to boost the defensive talent once the offensive “horses” were scheduled to come back.
Fans are frustrated, windows are closing, hero’s are retiring. I believe coaching changes create losses, so I’m generally against them, but I’m now willing to make that change and endure some losing in order to shorten the adjustment phase. I mostly arrived at this by seeing us play our best early in the season, when we didn’t have our best receivers, and our o-line was in worse shape - and against tougher opponents.
I’ve seen the coaching carousel history in Tampa when I think of making changes. Not all of our fanbase has that same background - but I know when the fanbase has turned - and it has.
so heres how it goes
Dungy - Not DEI, qualified
Gruden - not DEI, qualified
Morris - Clearly DEI, one of the worst hires ever seen
Schiano - not DEI, bad hire
Lovie Smith - Not DEI, thought we were getting Bears Lovie
Koetter - not DEI, thought would help Jameis, bad hire
Bruce Arians - not DEI, thank you Brady
Bowles - Not DEI by Glazers, but clearly DEI by Arians
There was no choice with Bowles. I think Arians “retired” and the timing was such that there was little time for a coaching search, the owners had to play along.
This is correct. It's a ridiculous comparison by a stooge.
Bowles - Not DEI by Glazers, but clearly DEI by Arians
Well put.
The point could be made that ownerships decision to commit to a DEI policy - is a great way to hide incompetence.
Not saying that’s what they did, but it certainly rhymes with the tune in my head.
Still think Brady saved Arians legacy. He always found a veteran QB in his various stops, I think his timing just found him holding a bag full of luck when the Brady leprechaun danced into OBP.
There was no choice with Bowles. I think Arians “retired” and the timing was such that there was little time for a coaching search, the owners had to play along.
This is correct. It's a ridiculous comparison by a stooge.
Bowles - Not DEI by Glazers, but clearly DEI by Arians
Well put.
LMAO, as long as I am on the other side of this discussion from Biggs and "Dave" and such . . I like the "optics!"
Bowles - Not DEI by Glazers, but clearly DEI by Arians
Just want to show how hard you guys are twisting yourselve into knots over this
Badabing, you started with Bowles=DEI hire and now have gone to "NOT DEI by Glazers, but clearly by Arians"
Biggs said that is well put
Well put.
This is alos Biggs (I added the bold):
If we keep Bowles I'm gonna fly over to St Pete and take a shit on Licht's doorstep
assuming it’s lichts decision
Yeah, it’s not Licht’s decision. The GM makes recommendations on coaching. The owners ultimately make the decisions.
So, even trying to see you guys in the very best light you're all collectively saying, Bowles was not really a DEI hire because the "owners ultimately make the decisions" and he was "NOT DEI hire by the Glazers" . . .. , BUT ITS OKAY TO CALL HIM A DEI HIRE BECAUSE FANS ARE ANGRY THAT THE TEAM HAS PERFORMED SO POORLY.
I see angry fans being driven crazy lashed to a very conservative HC that can’t fix his own defense but also takes a heavy hand in the offensive game planning & maybe even play calling. They’re searching for answers as to why the owners/GM keep him around
think about that . ..
I think we’re all on the same side, weee just quilling over how we got here.
It sucks to be stocked with offensive talent, but cursed with apathetic leadership that wasted an entire season.
There is a reason for the apathy, but I doubt we’ll ever see it.
I also hate the Rooney Rule, only because I think smart owners choose the best candidate for the job. I think any ownership group so backwards deserve to lose, so much that their fans demand they pick the best candidate for the HC role.
I think we’re all on the same side, weee just quilling over how we got here.
It sucks to be stocked with offensive talent, but cursed with apathetic leadership that wasted an entire season.
There is a reason for the apathy, but I doubt we’ll ever see it.
I also hate the Rooney Rule, only because I think smart owners choose the best candidate for the job. I think any ownership group so backwards deserve to lose, so much that their fans demand they pick the best candidate for the HC role.
Yes, feel free to hate all those rules and quill away . . . but let me just offer something to think about.
One reason (NOT THE ONLY) that racism is an issue even today is that some white people cannot even imagine (let alone acknowledge) that it is:
1) WRONG to falsely CALL A BLACK MAN A DEI HIRE WHEN HE IS NOT - ESPECIALLY AS A WAY TO COPE WITH EMOTIONS (LOL) OVER THE PERFORMANCE OF A FOOTBALL TEAM. That only underscores how trivial the racial slight is to those making it.
2) ITS DOUBLY WRONG TO MAKE THOSE KIND OF CLAIMS BECAUSE OF PERCEIVED ANONYMITY (WOULDN'T SAY IT TO HIS FACE OR IN FRONT OF YOUR FAMILY)
3) AND TRIPLE WRONG TO TRY TO BOLSTER THAT FALSE CLAIM WITH A SECOND ANONYMOUS, INSIDE SOURCE (if that is what happened ;-))
That was my point intially, but time to move on again . . and wait for that explanation . . .oops scratch that . . and watch the Bucs probably lose to the Panthers, unfortunately.
We're still talking DEI crap? With the fucking Glazers who love Trump?
We really need to cycle through this again?
Just say the word you want to say. "We don't want a nnnnnnnnnnnnnnn______________ coach".
These idiots used to think black QBs couldn't be good.
Now it's back to coaches...
We're still talking DEI crap?
Agreed. Wish the NFL would drop the woke stuff, but here we are.
With the fucking Glazers who love Trump?
As has already been said, it was more Arians than the Glazers. The Glazers weren’t left with much choice after Arians retired.
Just say the word you want to say. "We don't want a nnnnnnnnnnnnnnn______________ coach".
And feel free to go fuck yourself with this nonsense.
but here we are.
Because of you and your ilk, no other reason. Don blame the NFL. It did not force you to post that Koetter comment.
Defending a policy that offers nothing towards winning and only forcing a concentration on skin color rather than content of character (and ability) a is nutz.
Choosing to commit to a policy who’s founding principle is something other than competence - is willful ignorance - and can leave an organization open to criticism and devoid of the core competency of winning games.
I have met & know many Buc fans and none of them are worried about the skin color of the head coach. They are worried about why our defense continues to struggle, despite having a defensive minded “genius” as a head coach for the past 4 years. They wonder why the offense is struggling against weaker competition, and with our starters back.
Sure, there are those who have (I think wrongly) assumed it has something to do with the Bucs committing to a DEI policy. This is by far a slim portion of Buc fans - but as I have said - the Bucs opened themselves up to this criticism by adopting the policy. The few fans who blame the policy for the HC are frustrated and trying to find answers. I think It’s a lazy take.
To me, the real issue can be summed up by SR’s new nickname for Todd Bowles “Turtle Todd” because of his stubborn refusal to rely on very conservative offensive playcalling even though he has an offense built to score points - to favor his defense’s ability to close out games that has proven (more often than not) it is not up to the task. He prefers a rock fight - but he’s all out of rocks on defense. It’s maddening.
The idea that the track record of this organization has a high percentage of retaining this mediocre HC - despite 4 straight seasons of the same performance - seems to be the definition of insanity. Based on that assumption, it isn’t a great stretch to imagine that a few fans have gone a bit insane.
