Offensive line disappeared in the 4th quarter. Barton struggled with bad snaps & some blocking lapses.
Dallas D-line was smoking hot and playing possessed, and even to ramp that up in the 4th quarter.
I temper the criticism of the o-line because we seem to have shifted in the final 10 minutes - which coincided to when Bucky never saw the ball again - which probably is a result of needing to throw to score. I wonder what might have happened if we’d just hung with Bucky as the main back?
We did score a TD to bring us to within 2 points and a chance.
Just can’t overlook that ferocious blitz Dallas sent to close the game.
Your point isn’t lost on me. There were enough failures on both sides of the ball.
seems pretty cut and dry to me.
you're comparing one to the other. Thats what I was saying is the mistake.
Look at it this way.
allowing DAL to score on 5/6 drives.
The Bucs winning games they come out HOT and grab the lead, but this is how the offense started:
Dallas Drive 1 - FG (win for the D)
BucsDrive 1 - TURNOVER
Dallas Drive 2 - TD - but the offense turned it over at midfield
Bucs Drive 2 - Drive 2 - PUNT
Dallas Drive 3 - Punt (win for the D)
Bucs Drive 3 - TD
Drive 4 - FG
Drive 5 - TD
I am not saying the offense lost the game or the defense lost the game. I am saying the offense came out FLAT and that set the tone for the game. The offense also turned the ball over MULTIPLE times
By the way, the DEFENSE holds the Cowboys to THREE points the entire second half, right? The offense can only manage 10 points because they go PUNT, FG, PUNT, INT, TD, Fumble
Or, if you prefer our 30 PPG offense scores only 24
sorry, I just don’t see it that way. In short, based on the tape and the statistics, It looks to me like the offense pretty much did what they were supposed to do in this game, Which boils down to two things: move the ball down the field. And score points.
The issues really weren’t about the offense, and my opinion, but more about a few individual plays or be more accurate, poor play by a few individuals. That would more precisely match up with the tape and the statistics.
Drops in the first half on two different drives stalled out the office in the first half preventing them from scoring more points in the first 30 minutes.
McMillan‘s inability to bring in a pretty good pass by Baker on OneDrive, and a simply inexcusable fumble by white on subsequent drive are the only things that prevented Tampa Bay from scoring 30+ points.
however, allowing a Cooper rush lead Dallas offense to score on 80%, or five out of six of their first half drives, is simply excusable. Particularly by a defense led by head coach Todd Bowles, who is supposedly one of the best defensive minds in the game today.
Now, to their credit, they did manage to hold Dallas to a single field goal and second half. But that first half performance, well, it was just one of the worst performances I’ve seen all year from any defense. Ymmv
we still have a good shot, washington is clear favorite over falcons and they still need another win, but I‘m afraid bowles defense is going to make another mediocre QB look like peyton manning
sorry, I just don’t see it that way
no worries I get that I am sharing an uncommon view
The issues really weren’t about the offense
I wasn't assigning blame to one side or the other. I was critiquing the offense and on this . .
the offense pretty much did what they were supposed to do in this game
How often do you say that about an offense with THREE turnovers?
I think we had 2 in the Chargers game and that was a dominant offensive performance, but by comparison we had ZERO punts against the Chargers and 4 or 5 against the Cowboys
Chargers we gave up ONE sack, Cowboys had 5, I think?
Most obvious stat .. we were below average in scoring
seems pretty cut and dry to me.
you're comparing one to the other. Thats what I was saying is the mistake.
Look at it this way.
allowing DAL to score on 5/6 drives.
The Bucs winning games they come out HOT and grab the lead, but this is how the offense started:
Dallas Drive 1 - FG (win for the D)
BucsDrive 1 - TURNOVER
Dallas Drive 2 - TD - but the offense turned it over at midfield
Bucs Drive 2 - Drive 2 - PUNT
Dallas Drive 3 - Punt (win for the D)
Bucs Drive 3 - TD
Drive 4 - FG
Drive 5 - TD
I am not saying the offense lost the game or the defense lost the game. I am saying the offense came out FLAT and that set the tone for the game. The offense also turned the ball over MULTIPLE times
By the way, the DEFENSE holds the Cowboys to THREE points the entire second half, right? The offense can only manage 10 points because they go PUNT, FG, PUNT, INT, TD, Fumble
Or, if you prefer our 30 PPG offense scores only 24
sorry, I just don’t see it that way. In short, based on the tape and the statistics, It looks to me like the offense pretty much did what they were supposed to do in this game, Which boils down to two things: move the ball down the field. And score points.
The issues really weren’t about the offense, and my opinion, but more about a few individual plays or be more accurate, poor play by a few individuals. That would more precisely match up with the tape and the statistics.
Drops in the first half on two different drives stalled out the office in the first half preventing them from scoring more points in the first 30 minutes.
McMillan‘s inability to bring in a pretty good pass by Baker on OneDrive, and a simply inexcusable fumble by white on subsequent drive are the only things that prevented Tampa Bay from scoring 30+ points.
however, allowing a Cooper rush lead Dallas offense to score on 80%, or five out of six of their first half drives, is simply excusable. Particularly by a defense led by head coach Todd Bowles, who is supposedly one of the best defensive minds in the game today.
Now, to their credit, they did manage to hold Dallas to a single field goal and second half. But that first half performance, well, it was just one of the worst performances I’ve seen all year from any defense. Ymmv
Going into the the game the Bucs were #2 in yards per carry and Dallas was #29 in yards per carry allowed. Coen was 71% pass this game. That's why we lost. I don't want to hear about the score because it's a bunch of bullshit.
Drive 1
3rd and 3 at the Cowboys 48. This is cleary 4 down territory. Coen comes out in EMPTY. Incomplete on 3rd down, incomplete on 4th down.
Drive 2
Pass on 1st and 10, pass on 2nd and 4, pass on 3rd and 4, punt.
Coen is already putting stress on the defense by turning it over at midfield then immediately going 3 and out.
Drive 3 he's 4 runs and 2 passes, touchdown. What a fucking coincidence!
Drive 4 he starts with 4 runs on 5 plays and we have 1st and 10 at the Dallas 45. I'm thinking we can run this all the way in, run out the first half and go into halftime up 14-13 getting the ball in 2nd half. What does he do? Pass, pass, pass, punt.
He had no intention of running the ball vs a poor run defense. The only way this team can win going forward is to be heavy run and he's not going to do it. Bucs are #3 in yards per attempt but #11 in attempts. What a waste of an offensive line and two talented backs in Irving and Tucker.
Lol, yeah, Coen’s clearly an idiot. He should be running the ball 100% of the time. That would fix everything.
Drive 1
3rd and 3 at the Cowboys 48. This is cleary 4 down territory. Coen comes out in EMPTY. Incomplete on 3rd down, incomplete on 4th down.
Can you believe Coen dropped that pass?
hit him right in the hands
Lol, yeah, Coen’s clearly an idiot. He should be running the ball 100% of the time. That would fix everything.
Every down is a run down. Especially with Tucker.
1st and 10. Run down.
2nd and 8 Run down.
3rd and 11. Run down.
And, if Tucker is in, forget about it.
I largely disagree with JC most of the time but he's right about this game.
Coen abandoned the run in critical moments. He'll need to learn.
Coen abandoned the run in critical moments.
Agreed and not sure how its even remotely controversial because he talks about it himself.
As for JC, he seems incapable of just a straight forward football take. To say this Bucs team should run more in some games is OBVIOUSLY true, but to turn that into a cabal against Tucker and JC and a couple other dingbells did, is absurd. To DOUBLE DOWN on that absurdity with stuff like "he was ON THE FIELD 18 times when we scored" is just silly.
but I‘m afraid bowles defense is going to make another mediocre QB look like peyton manning
I mean, there's definitely a chance of that.
True. When your DBs are 10 yds off the LOS and there's minimal QB pressures, even David Carr could move the ball vs the Bucs defense.
True. When your DBs are 10 yds off the LOS and there's minimal QB pressures, even David Carr could move the ball vs the Bucs defense.
I don’t think they have a solution. Izien is out after playing every position lol. Last week they played man on Lamb and got destroyed. As much as we all love LVD the Cowboys exploited him.
all on film so easy enough for opposing offenses and probably why Bowles is so focused on tackling ie giving teams the underneath stuff.
Young isn’t really playing like a mediocre QB
https://www.si.com/nfl/panthers/news/bryce-young-doing-better-any-quarterback-midseason
One of his relative strengths:
beating the blitz and pressure
https://www.instagram.com/p/DEFuWu6xOBv/?img_index=1&igsh=MTBpYjh6emp5ejJ5dQ==
Look what I found. Go the the conversation with Vita Vea on the sideline (scroll left to 2).
On that critical third down stop to get the ball back at the end of the Dallas game Vita made a great play moving from DT to the flat to tackle Ferguson short of the line to gain.
In one of the numerous threads of Bowles we were talking about how the defense played and I had said I wasn't sure if Vea roams to the flat by design or by instinct.
Based on the conversation it was clearly instinct.
So what does that mean?
Pretty simple really. 3rd and 8 and Bowles predictably blitzes so they design a screen to the TE that really should have worked and sealed the game. Vea calls his own audible and runs the play down and saves the game momentarily.
Guys... Bowles is washed. This stop had nothing to do with his play calling... In fact he got absolutely killed AGAIN by doing all out blitz on a critical down and did his obvious tendency.
Great work by Vea but more proof that players are making plays outside the atrocious defensive scheme.
Bowles has to go... Coen has to stay. It's that simple.
