Payton is hands down #1Then I think it gets a little muddy. How do you measure? Wining percentage? Playoffs? Super Bowls? Current momentum? Mike Smith has the best win percentage of the next 3, and in 5 years has 2 division crowns and 2 runner ups. Last year seemed to be more about injuries for the Falcons, but even with the 5-11 season M Smith has a .641 winning percentage, with a few 13-3 seasons and an 11-5. Despite all the wins in the regular season, it's the playoffs that detractors point to. Again, what's the measuring stick?Riverboat Ron turned a 2-14 team into a 12-4 team in 4 years, growing wins each year after inheriting a pile of junk. He drafted 2 rookie of the years', and won coach of the year. It's obvious his players love to play for him and he has built one if the best front 7's in football and an offense that is a reciever or two away from being lethal. The knock on Rivera seems to be that he was on the hot seat 4 games into the season. Lovie has had allot more time as head coach to aquire playoff appearances and take a run at the Super Bowl. He has a COY award as well as 3 division titles and a conference title, but as mention he had 3-4 more years to do so. His resume however is headlined with a dismissal due to his inability to generate offense. Or find a coordinator that could.I bring this up as I was trolling old Joe Bucs Fan, who loves to crowbar "Glennon is the worst QB in the division" into every article, and I made the comment that Lovie himself might be the worst coach in the division.My point, which everyone of course failed to see, was that the coaches, and QB's in the NFC South are stacked. But as I looked over records and stats, I found that you could make a case that Lovie is going to have to fight to stay out of the cellar. There are no Philbans, or Marones, or Bradley's in the NFC South. Or Schiano's for that matter.
There are no Philbans, or Marones, or Bradley's in the NFC South. Or Schiano's for that matter.
I actually think Gus Bradley is a hell of a coach, and maybe the second best in the AFC south behind Pagano. In our division, I'd put Payton, Rivera, Lovie, and then Mike Smith.
He IS the worst qb in the division.But BOT, lovie still goes last. But that's only because he is new to the division and has been out of football.Sure, he may be one of the most decorated coaches, but in a "prove it" nfl, we have nothing to compare him to.And SP might be one of the best coaches ever, that team sucked before him (and brees).
Which NFC South coaches have NFC Championships on their resume. I count two? Saying Lovie Smith is behind Ron Rivera is absurd. They were ready to fire Rivera in September but his team stayed healthy and got hot. Mike Smith has an impressive string of regular seasons but he's still not taken his team to the big game.I would rank them 1. SP, 2. Lovie, 3. Mike Smith, 4. Riverboat Ron.
I'm not sure you can really rank the coaches after Payton because they're all really close. I would put them into tiers with Payton being the only member of the elite tier and the other three being in the solid-to-good tier. There aren't any stinkers in the division.
"They were ready to fire Rivera in September but his team stayed healthy and got hot."So you put Rivera at the bottom because of speculation that he almost got fired, and then totally ignore the fact that Lovie did get fired?
As a whole, our division is pretty stacked with coaching. An interesting topic would be who has the best coaching staff, not just head coach. We'll have to wait until next season, or at least the first few games of this season, to know exactly how the Bucs compare to the Saints, Panthers, and Falcons. We do look good on paper, though.
And SP might be one of the best coaches ever, that team sucked before him (and brees).
Saints were 9-7, 8-8, 8-8 in the years before Katrina.
I'm not sure you can really rank the coaches after Payton because they're all really close. I would put them into tiers with Payton being the only member of the elite tier and the other three being in the solid-to-good tier. There aren't any stinkers in the division.
I agree, though we'll see if Rivera sustains his success.
"They were ready to fire Rivera in September but his team stayed healthy and got hot."So you put Rivera at the bottom because of speculation that he almost got fired, and then totally ignore the fact that Lovie did get fired?
I think (based on what he said in the post) he ranks them as1) Won a Super Bowl2) Got to a Super Bowl3) Sustained regular season success4) One good seasonBut hey, keep up your agenda.
And SP might be one of the best coaches ever, that team sucked before him (and brees).
Saints were 9-7, 8-8, 8-8 in the years before Katrina.
So I guess they fired gruden too? Mediocre.
Logic being my agenda, you can be certain I will do that.
In a vacuum , I'd put Lovie 2nd behind Payton.Doesn't really matter though because 75% of coaching is having the right talent on the field , and Lovie doesn't have all the pieces yet.
I can see two arguments on this one. Because he hasnt coached a game in the NFC South yet, I am fine with putting Lovie at 4th for now, but he has arguably the best resume right up there with Payton. If given the chance, I wouldnt take Smith or Rivera over Lovie...Payton I probably would in today's NFL.
Lovie has to get credit for leading a team to the SB with a sh!t QB. Not sure how SP would rank without Brees. Here's hoping Lovie and Glennon can succeed together in this division. QBs make a difference. Tony Dungy gets no nomination for Canton without Peyton Manning.
