I agree with the premise of this thread. We've got young guys like McCoy who are going on their 3rd coach already, that's a sign of a poorly run franchise. Most of our fans act like spoiled brats, they cry and whine if everything doesn't go exactly how they want 100 percent of the time. It appears the Glazers continue to let that factor into their decision making, and where has that gotten us? Exactly. Continuity can go a long way, unfortunately the Glazers aren't aware of that.
This wasn't a rash decision at all. And if you watched the games this year I honestly can't see how in the high holy hell you couldn't see that Schiano was in over his head. This has been coming for a while.
Instant gratification is what this is about. Nobody wanted to give an inexperienced guy time to learn. He had flaws, obviously, but there were clear signs he was working on them and attempting to be a better coach. You get better with experience, but experience is the last thing some of our fans wanted him to gain because they wanted to be "right" about him. I have no doubt many of our fans were terrified at the thought of him coaching next season, not because they were afraid he'd fail, they were afraid he'd succeed. When you have a guy who seemingly has the respect of his players, has his guys playing hard even through a rough season, and shows he's trying to improve in some of his weaker areas...you should give that guy time. Had we been getting blown out each week like we were under Raheem, that would be another story. I just hope the next guy works out, we're most likely going to have a slew of new assistants, a new QB, and possibly a new offense and defensive system. That's multiple prime years of some of our better players down the drain if the change doesn't work out.
Funny - and here I thought that in most high end professions in the real world if you aren't showing results after two years you are typically fired. Or demoted. Oh wait....
So every coach that struggles at the start of their career will always struggle and never get better? Cool. I'll jot that down.
While you're at it, jot this down too79-87 career record as a head coach including a 4-8 record, 7-9 and 4-12 record in his last 4 years of Coaching (including Rutgers). History of losing big games because of a stunning lack of second half adjustments dating to when his HC career began in 2001. A history which has seen him fail to win a division title, conference championship or any other type of significant recognition. Worst record this year than last year with a better roster. But yes he sure is getting better. Obviously.
I agree with the premise of this thread. We've got young guys like McCoy who are going on their 3rd coach already, that's a sign of a poorly run franchise. Most of our fans act like spoiled brats, they cry and whine if everything doesn't go exactly how they want 100 percent of the time. It appears the Glazers continue to let that factor into their decision making, and where has that gotten us? Exactly. Continuity can go a long way, unfortunately the Glazers aren't aware of that.
Continuity is great when things are going well but what is the point in just extending the bad when there is nothing to show it will ever improve?It's like trying to bash your head against a wall to knock it down, eventually it might work but is the brain damage really worth all the trouble in the name of continuity considering there are better options out there if you look in the right place?
I agree with the premise of this thread. We've got young guys like McCoy who are going on their 3rd coach already, that's a sign of a poorly run franchise. Most of our fans act like spoiled brats, they cry and whine if everything doesn't go exactly how they want 100 percent of the time. It appears the Glazers continue to let that factor into their decision making, and where has that gotten us? Exactly. Continuity can go a long way, unfortunately the Glazers aren't aware of that.
This wasn't a rash decision at all. And if you watched the games this year I honestly can't see how in the high holy hell you couldn't see that Schiano was in over his head. This has been coming for a while.
Instant gratification is what this is about. Nobody wanted to give an inexperienced guy time to learn. He had flaws, obviously, but there were clear signs he was working on them and attempting to be a better coach. You get better with experience, but experience is the last thing some of our fans wanted him to gain because they wanted to be "right" about him. I have no doubt many of our fans were terrified at the thought of him coaching next season, not because they were afraid he'd fail, they were afraid he'd succeed. When you have a guy who seemingly has the respect of his players, has his guys playing hard even through a rough season, and shows he's trying to improve in some of his weaker areas...you should give that guy time. Had we been getting blown out each week like we were under Raheem, that would be another story. I just hope the next guy works out, we're most likely going to have a slew of new assistants, a new QB, and possibly a new offense and defensive system. That's multiple prime years of some of our better players down the drain if the change doesn't work out.
Funny - and here I thought that in most high end professions in the real world if you aren't showing results after two years you are typically fired. Or demoted. Oh wait....
So every coach that struggles at the start of their career will always struggle and never get better? Cool. I'll jot that down.
While you're at it, jot this down too79-87 career record as a head coach including a 4-8 record, 7-9 and 4-12 record in his last 4 years of Coaching (including Rutgers). History of losing big games because of a stunning lack of second half adjustments dating to when his HC career began in 2001. A history which has seen him fail to win a division title, conference championship or any other type of significant recognition. Worst record this year than last year with a better roster. But yes he sure is getting better. Obviously.
Rutgers was a joke when he took over, he brought them to a respectable level and considering it's Rutgers, a team that will never win a national championship regardless of who's coaching them, that's noteworthy. Also, ignoring everything that went wrong this season and pretending it didn't impact our W/L record won't make it all go away. Freeman completely wrecked the first quarter of our season on his own, then went to Minny and set a franchise record for low completion percentage in his first and only game. This is why so many people wanted Schiano fired immediately. Freeman is gone, the MRSA thing is done, Glennon will get a full offseason to prepare as the starter, we'll have a new draft class (you can't knock Schiano's drafting), probably some key FA's, and a bunch of healthy players returning including our kicker which as we found out this season is a pretty important position. All of that most likely equals a drastic improvement in our play and our record, but we can't have that can we? Let's boot the guy to the curb now, pretend we had a normal routine season, and be "right" about Schiano. That's the simple minded, ego driven nonsense most of our fans live by.
So every coach that struggles at the start of their career will always struggle and never get better? Cool. I'll jot that down.
Should the 49ers have stuck with Singletary? Where the indulging a whiny fanbase who only cared about instant gratification when they moved on from him? Would they be better off had they given him more time to learn? Did they suffer for their lack of continuity?
So every coach that struggles at the start of their career will always struggle and never get better? Cool. I'll jot that down.
Should the 49ers have stuck with Singletary? Where the indulging a whiny fanbase who only cared about instant gratification when they moved on from him? Would they be better off had they given him more time to learn? Did they suffer for their lack of continuity?
Couldn't tell you, I don't follow the 49ers. Not all situations are the same. Winning is important, but if we aren't winning I at least want to see effort, and I did this season. Under Raheem we showed no effort which is why he had to go. Schiano coached in college a long time, it's clear he needed to adapt to the pro game in terms of how he interacted with his football players, and there were signs (as PR pointed out more than once) that he was doing just that. Before the Glazers settle on our next coach I hope they fully prepare for everything that particular person is going to bring to the team. With Schiano, it's clear they didn't anticipate a disciplinarian dealing with kids all day needing time to acclimate to the pro game. They were wrong, and that's on them.
But Escobar06 you are incorrect. Freeman and MRSA isn't why we want him fired. It's the losing. It's the schematic breakdowns. You can't have that at this level. We were becoming a laughingstock with all of this talent and terrible results. Chip Kelly destroyed Schiano schematically. It has happened in every game. We had 7 wins last year and added Revis and Goldson and now have 4 wins. ? Really? This isn't the place for a head coach to learn on the fly. In the NFL the coaches make millions. We can't wait 10 years to see if he may develop into a great coach. Rutgers was his proving ground and he didn't really win much of anything outside of some insignificant bowl games and one great year with Sanu and Rice. A year in which they failed to win their conference. He was seemingly a great practice coach and good at developing players and possibly drafted pretty good if he was picking players. Nobody is saying he was 100 percent suck. But his game plan and his schemes are terrible. No amount of talent can overcome that.
But Escobar06 you are incorrect. Freeman and MRSA isn't why we want him fired. It's the losing. It's the schematic breakdowns. You can't have that at this level. We were becoming a laughingstock with all of this talent and terrible results. Chip Kelly destroyed Schiano schematically. It has happened in every game. We had 7 wins last year and added Revis and Goldson and now have 4 wins. ? Really? This isn't the place for a head coach to learn on the fly. In the NFL the coaches make millions. We can't wait 10 years to see if he may develop into a great coach. Rutgers was his proving ground and he didn't really win much of anything outside of some insignificant bowl games and one great year with Sanu and Rice. A year in which they failed to win their conference. He was seemingly a great practice coach and good at developing players and possibly drafted pretty good if he was picking players. Nobody is saying he was 100 percent suck. But his game plan and his schemes are terrible. No amount of talent can overcome that.
Right, we added Goldson and Revis. And Freeman had a complete melt down, and we lost Doug Martin, and Mike Williams, and Carl Nicks, and Connor Barth. We lost many more players as well, what was it, 15 on IR when all was said and done?Revis admittedly wasn't healthy enough to consistently play man the first half of the season. Fans **CENSORED**ed about our schemes proving once again most don't know what they're talking about. Goldson missed time, our line played horribly, we had to rely on a rookie QB starting in week 4, we dealt with MRSA, we lost several games because of missed FG's etc. Your post just proves those who called for Schiano to be fired flat out ignored everything this team went through. You point to the additions without acknowledging we also lost many players. If we had a solid season it would have been one of the most remarkable coaching feats in franchise history, that's what Schiano was up against whether you want to admit it or not.
So every coach that struggles at the start of their career will always struggle and never get better? Cool. I'll jot that down.
Should the 49ers have stuck with Singletary? Where the indulging a whiny fanbase who only cared about instant gratification when they moved on from him? Would they be better off had they given him more time to learn? Did they suffer for their lack of continuity?
Couldn't tell you, I don't follow the 49ers. Not all situations are the same.
lolz
Schiano was brought in to "turn" this ship around. Ask yourself if it appeared we were headed in the right direction and you would understand why he is no longer coaching this team. Regardless of all the examples we can produce to support our claim Schiano had a terrible record as a HC.
I agree with the premise of this thread. We've got young guys like McCoy who are going on their 3rd coach already, that's a sign of a poorly run franchise. Most of our fans act like spoiled brats, they cry and whine if everything doesn't go exactly how they want 100 percent of the time. It appears the Glazers continue to let that factor into their decision making, and where has that gotten us? Exactly. Continuity can go a long way, unfortunately the Glazers aren't aware of that.
This wasn't a rash decision at all. And if you watched the games this year I honestly can't see how in the high holy hell you couldn't see that Schiano was in over his head. This has been coming for a while.
Instant gratification is what this is about. Nobody wanted to give an inexperienced guy time to learn. He had flaws, obviously, but there were clear signs he was working on them and attempting to be a better coach. You get better with experience, but experience is the last thing some of our fans wanted him to gain because they wanted to be "right" about him. I have no doubt many of our fans were terrified at the thought of him coaching next season, not because they were afraid he'd fail, they were afraid he'd succeed. When you have a guy who seemingly has the respect of his players, has his guys playing hard even through a rough season, and shows he's trying to improve in some of his weaker areas...you should give that guy time. Had we been getting blown out each week like we were under Raheem, that would be another story. I just hope the next guy works out, we're most likely going to have a slew of new assistants, a new QB, and possibly a new offense and defensive system. That's multiple prime years of some of our better players down the drain if the change doesn't work out.
We're 5 years into Dom's rebuild and two years into Schiano paid OJT. They both sucked. They were both under-qualified for their respective positions and they both failed miserably.Schianopologists can only point to the guys played hard. SO F ING WHAT? Schiano was beaten weekly on X's and O's and showed no signs of improving his actual game day coaching. That guy will never coach in the NFL again.
Winning is important, but if we aren't winning I at least want to see effort, and I did this season. Under Raheem we showed no effort
Classic Raheem Morris Bar Lowered Syndrome!!!!!NEVER EVER MISTAKE EFFORT FOR RESULTS!!!!!!!!!
But Escobar06 you are incorrect. Freeman and MRSA isn't why we want him fired. It's the losing. It's the schematic breakdowns. You can't have that at this level. We were becoming a laughingstock with all of this talent and terrible results. Chip Kelly destroyed Schiano schematically. It has happened in every game. We had 7 wins last year and added Revis and Goldson and now have 4 wins. ? Really? This isn't the place for a head coach to learn on the fly. In the NFL the coaches make millions. We can't wait 10 years to see if he may develop into a great coach. Rutgers was his proving ground and he didn't really win much of anything outside of some insignificant bowl games and one great year with Sanu and Rice. A year in which they failed to win their conference. He was seemingly a great practice coach and good at developing players and possibly drafted pretty good if he was picking players. Nobody is saying he was 100 percent suck. But his game plan and his schemes are terrible. No amount of talent can overcome that.
Right, we added Goldson and Revis. And Freeman had a complete melt down, and we lost Doug Martin, and Mike Williams, and Carl Nicks, and Connor Barth. We lost many more players as well, what was it, 15 on IR when all was said and done?Revis admittedly wasn't healthy enough to consistently play man the first half of the season. Fans **CENSORED**ed about our schemes proving once again most don't know what they're talking about. Goldson missed time, our line played horribly, we had to rely on a rookie QB starting in week 4, we dealt with MRSA, we lost several games because of missed FG's etc. Your post just proves those who called for Schiano to be fired flat out ignored everything this team went through. You point to the additions without acknowledging we also lost many players. If we had a solid season it would have been one of the most remarkable coaching feats in franchise history, that's what Schiano was up against whether you want to admit it or not.
True we had injuries just like all teams do. Martin was replaced. Wright replaced Mike Williams pretty well. How did we lose Nicks? He never played more than a few games. I thought that replacing the injured players was one of the few things Schiano has done well. You seem to be cherry picking what you want to discuss but really the fact that the defense, Schiano's own defense is fatally flawed is inescapable. I have seen enough of the all 22 slowed down and have seen enough to say that this coach is not good with his current schemes. If you can explain to me how Schiano was going to overcome that I am willing to listen. Tell me how he was going to come back next year with a plan to out scheme Chip Kelly.
I agree with the premise of this thread. We've got young guys like McCoy who are going on their 3rd coach already, that's a sign of a poorly run franchise. Most of our fans act like spoiled brats, they cry and whine if everything doesn't go exactly how they want 100 percent of the time. It appears the Glazers continue to let that factor into their decision making, and where has that gotten us? Exactly. Continuity can go a long way, unfortunately the Glazers aren't aware of that.
This wasn't a rash decision at all. And if you watched the games this year I honestly can't see how in the high holy hell you couldn't see that Schiano was in over his head. This has been coming for a while.
Instant gratification is what this is about. Nobody wanted to give an inexperienced guy time to learn. He had flaws, obviously, but there were clear signs he was working on them and attempting to be a better coach. You get better with experience, but experience is the last thing some of our fans wanted him to gain because they wanted to be "right" about him. I have no doubt many of our fans were terrified at the thought of him coaching next season, not because they were afraid he'd fail, they were afraid he'd succeed. When you have a guy who seemingly has the respect of his players, has his guys playing hard even through a rough season, and shows he's trying to improve in some of his weaker areas...you should give that guy time. Had we been getting blown out each week like we were under Raheem, that would be another story. I just hope the next guy works out, we're most likely going to have a slew of new assistants, a new QB, and possibly a new offense and defensive system. That's multiple prime years of some of our better players down the drain if the change doesn't work out.
Funny - and here I thought that in most high end professions in the real world if you aren't showing results after two years you are typically fired. Or demoted. Oh wait....
So every coach that struggles at the start of their career will always struggle and never get better? Cool. I'll jot that down.
While you're at it, jot this down too79-87 career record as a head coach including a 4-8 record, 7-9 and 4-12 record in his last 4 years of Coaching (including Rutgers). History of losing big games because of a stunning lack of second half adjustments dating to when his HC career began in 2001. A history which has seen him fail to win a division title, conference championship or any other type of significant recognition. Worst record this year than last year with a better roster. But yes he sure is getting better. Obviously.
Rutgers was a joke when he took over, he brought them to a respectable level and considering it's Rutgers, a team that will never win a national championship regardless of who's coaching them, that's noteworthy. Also, ignoring everything that went wrong this season and pretending it didn't impact our W/L record won't make it all go away. Freeman completely wrecked the first quarter of our season on his own, then went to Minny and set a franchise record for low completion percentage in his first and only game. This is why so many people wanted Schiano fired immediately. Freeman is gone, the MRSA thing is done, Glennon will get a full offseason to prepare as the starter, we'll have a new draft class (you can't knock Schiano's drafting), probably some key FA's, and a bunch of healthy players returning including our kicker which as we found out this season is a pretty important position. All of that most likely equals a drastic improvement in our play and our record, but we can't have that can we? Let's boot the guy to the curb now, pretend we had a normal routine season, and be "right" about Schiano. That's the simple minded, ego driven nonsense most of our fans live by.
You call others simple minded yet you think Schiano somehow deserved more time. LOLZ
And also this whole "played hard" thing. So overblown as being a result of Schiano. It's the result of more veteran leadership in the locker room and true pros who wouldn't let the young guys quit. It's also the result of some of those guys left over from the Raheem era seeing what happened to their buddies last time a team decided to quit and playing for themselves. Yea maybe it was Schiano. But it's more likely it was just the locker room. By the way, have you seen how the Jets players mobbed Rex Ryan when it was announced he was coming back? And do you think Schiano would get that same reaction?
If he'd gone 5-11 and then 6-10 (same record) and NOT been a dick and NOT had long losing streaks, I could have seen them giving it one more year. But ultimately, when you pay a guy $3M a year, he's supposed to get the credit when stuff goes right and take the blame when stuff goes wrong. All the drama, well, ultimately (as he was fond of saying), "that's on me."The trend seems to be that coaches have shorter and shorter leashes. Four coaches in the last three years alone have been fired after just one season. Tom Landry would be hard-pressed to keep his gig today if his first five years were what they were at the Cowboys' startup.
