Here's what it would have looked like last year.
NFC
1. Lions 15-2
2. Vikings 14-3
2. Eagles 14-3 (this tie breaker would have went to strength of victory, not doing it)
4. Commanders 12-5
5. Packers 11-6
6. Bucs 10-7
7. Rams 10-7
You really can't argue against this.
Here's what it would have looked like last year.
NFC
1. Lions 15-2
2. Vikings 14-3
2. Eagles 14-3 (this tie breaker would have went to strength of victory, not doing it)
4. Commanders 12-5
5. Packers 11-6
6. Bucs 10-7
7. Rams 10-7
You really can't argue against this.
That has the Bucs away at Eagles
not happening this year
Judy Battista of NFL Media reports that the Lions have withdrawn their proposal to tweak playoff seeding before a vote could be taken at the league meetings in Minnesota on Wednesday. Word on Tuesday was that the proposal was unlikely to garner the 24 votes from team owners required for approval
Here's what it would have looked like last year.
NFC
1. Lions 15-2
2. Vikings 14-3
2. Eagles 14-3 (this tie breaker would have went to strength of victory, not doing it)
4. Commanders 12-5
5. Packers 11-6
6. Bucs 10-7
7. Rams 10-7
You really can't argue against this.
Agreed. If you want a home playoff game, win more games.
Here's what it would have looked like last year.
NFC
1. Lions 15-2
2. Vikings 14-3
2. Eagles 14-3 (this tie breaker would have went to strength of victory, not doing it)
4. Commanders 12-5
5. Packers 11-6
6. Bucs 10-7
7. Rams 10-7
You really can't argue against this.
Agreed. If you want a home playoff game, win more games.
Yup. I like this format much more. Guaranteed playoff birth with divisional win but home game goes to the team with more wins.
nah that's crazy....can't have 6 division games and not have the division mean anything
the only option i can see is that if the team wins division with a losing record, maybe they are the road team. That's the only thing i can be open too...otherwise 9-8,10-7....it is what it is...you won the division and should host a playoff game
This may have been already mentioned in the thread I think. But if seeding strictly on W-L record, then do away with divisions where you play teams twice and go to a conference schedule where all conference opponents are unique. That way you're only playing (formerly division) weak teams once, or not at all. What's the purpose of divisions if you're seeding within conference?
nah that's crazy....can't have 6 division games and not have the division mean anything
It would mean something: a playoff berth.
nah that's crazy....can't have 6 division games and not have the division mean anything
It would mean something: a playoff berth.
so what about this hypothetical
Bucs go 10-6, win division and beat the Packers 30-7
Packers go 11-5, wild card team and 2 teams in the division were double digit loss teams in which they went 4-0.
Packers deserve that home game?
if it aint broke, dont fix it!
nah that's crazy....can't have 6 division games and not have the division mean anything
It would mean something: a playoff berth.
so what about this hypothetical
Bucs go 10-6, win division and beat the Packers 30-7
Packers go 11-5, wild card team and 2 teams in the division were double digit loss teams in which they went 4-0.
Packers deserve that home game?
if it aint broke, dont fix it!
If that 11-5 (I think you mean 11-6) Packer team was in the top 4 of the conference, yes - they would get a home playoff game. The home playoff games would be given to the teams with the most wins. The NFL should be a meritocracy. Giving out trophies (home playoff games) to teams that didn't have as good of a record as other teams who are going on the road is unfair. Was it really fair for the 12-5 Dallas Cowboys to have to go on the road to play the 8-9 Tampa Bay Buccaneers in 2022? That's a four-game difference. If you say yes, would your answer be the same if the records were reversed and Tampa had to go Dallas? I would guess not. Didn't really matter, as the Cowboys beat the shit out of Tampa - as they were the better team that season.
The NFL "fixes" stuff all of the time. There are ways to make the league better and they look at those things every offseason.
nah that's crazy....can't have 6 division games and not have the division mean anything
It would mean something: a playoff berth.
so what about this hypothetical
Bucs go 10-6, win division and beat the Packers 30-7
Packers go 11-5, wild card team and 2 teams in the division were double digit loss teams in which they went 4-0.
Packers deserve that home game?
if it aint broke, dont fix it!
If that 11-5 (I think you mean 11-6) Packer team was in the top 4 of the conference, yes - they would get a home playoff game. The home playoff games would be given to the teams with the most wins. The NFL should be a meritocracy. Giving out trophies (home playoff games) to teams that didn't have as good of a record as other teams who are going on the road is unfair. Was it really fair for the 12-5 Dallas Cowboys to have to go on the road to play the 8-9 Tampa Bay Buccaneers in 2022? That's a four-game difference. If you say yes, would your answer be the same if the records were reversed and Tampa had to go Dallas? I would guess not. Didn't really matter, as the Cowboys beat the shit out of Tampa - as they were the better team that season.
The NFL "fixes" stuff all of the time. There are ways to make the league better and they look at those things every offseason.
im open to the losing record division winner exclusion. and yeah, sorry meant 10-7 Bucs versus 11-6 Packers in which Bucs beat the crap out of them in regular season and in this hypothetical were in a tougher division.
i dont think it's as cut and dry as people are immediately going to the losing record division winner which happens every few years and agree that is one they should look at...but for a game difference, think the division winner should get the home game still
to each his own....let's see what happens....i'd probably garner they wont change it
Maybe at the end of the season, we should let the writers rank the teams and then seed accordingly...
Looks like this, like the cancellation of the tush push, has been tabled for at least another year.
Who is to say which division is the toughest. It's very subjective. Let's win them all so we don't have to worry about it.
The NFL should be a meritocracy
The move is at least part anti-meritocracy because the COMMISSIONER was reportedly focused on the advertising dollars lost with "meaningless" games at the end of the season. This was probably NOT a sufficient reason for the competition committee to change it (Rich McKay reportedly suggested the division leader with losing record fallback that is being discussed now) so it was apparently steered around the committee a bit when the Lions raised it after last season
I think the player most involved (Lions WR) raised the legitimate meritocracy/fairness point being made here and that part of it is fine BUT the counter is that it arguably dilutes one of the key aspects of the NFL, which is long standing DIVISIONAL rivalries. Those rivalries have shown up, for example, with a losing record division rival making a late game interesting because they wanted to destroy things for the better record, hopefully playoff bound division rival.
POINT: it cuts both way so not really a right or wrong thing as much as a choice between different approaches. The old way emphasizes division rivalries. The proposed way makes all games basically equal.
