As to (a), above I try to get people to link their expectation of Trask to a current QB. No takers yet.
It is difficult to compare Trask to any starting QB because he hasn't had the opportunity to play. However, it's not difficult to think he would be better than Mayfield because of the preseason comparison, Mayfield's play in season, and how Trask played in the SEC.
Thanks for responding and well, yes, but that is the very point of my post above.
If one thinks Trask would be better than Mayfield "because of the preseason comparison, Mayfield's play in season, and how Trask played in the SEC" then is he, for example Jordan Love, who sat behind a great QB for a couple years? Is he better than that or is he jared Goff (sort of a system QB)
One variable is KNOWN and that is Mayfield's statistics for the regular season. Love is in his first season at the helm, so is Trask Love or better? If Mayfield is the "floor" because its "not difficult to think [Trask] is better than Mayfield" (a totally reasonable thought) then the list of how Trask hypothetically would have performes this year is known and it includes guys like Jared Goff (decent in the right system) to Jordan Love (certainly has struggles but also got a team to the playoffs)
What I was hoping to do was to get past the normal TROLLING that we have here (too late lol), basically calling people names but then saying nothing more really about Trask then 'Mayfield sucks."
The question is about TRASK.
So what are the actual impressions, especially from people who watched "play in the SEC" about Trask? PR makes it sound like Trask is gone when his contract is up. PR doesnt have the market cornered on "football acumen" though so waht do those who know Trask best think IF Trask plays next year (whether by injury or winning in camp OR EVEN WITH ANOTHER TEAM). Trask will/would produce? Would one expect Jordan Love, Jared Goff? Mahomes? Match Mayfield?
It is difficult to compare Trask to any starting QB because he hasn't had the opportunity to play. However, it's not difficult to think he would be better than Mayfield because of the preseason comparison, Mayfield's play in season, and how Trask played in the SEC.
Spot on.
Not sure why the 2-3 simpletons don't get this.
They ask things like:
"So, do you think he's better than Baker"
"Who's his comp"
That's literally the whole damn point. We KNOW what Baker is. We DON'T KNOW what Trask is.
I can now say it was a wasted pick, simply because of the HC situation.
Last year, there was ZERO shot that Trask would've seen the field. Even if he was better than Gabbert. There's no chance in hell that Bowles would've played a virtual unknown in what was to be the last year of a supposed "SB Window".
And, going into this year, yes. The competition was tight during camp and preseason.
But, Bowles (and possibly Licht...though I doubt it) knowing he's going into a "make or break" season, would never anoint Trask the starter. He went with the vet.
If Trask had started from the start, we'd either:
- Find out that we have a QB that we can build around, a potential franchise signal caller
- Find out that Trask isn't NFL-starting material, and likely be in the Williams, Maye, Daniels hunt
Instead, we were "just good enough" to finish a game above .500, win the worst division in football, and essentially force our hand to build the future of the team around Baker Mayfield.
Listen, I'd love to be wrong and Baker turns into a franchise QB that leads us to another title. But, there's nothing in his previous (or current) body of work that would suggest he will.
Lastly, I don't think Licht would've gone the rookie QB route anyways. He did it already and it failed. He won a SB by putting together a stacked team with a vet QB (who just so happened to the GOAT).
I think that's what his mindset is now. And, if Baker flames out, he'll look to bring in a big FA quarterback in 2-3 years from now.
Agree with this 100%. Good work DH!!! Keep it up. And I noticed who thumbed it up as well in addition to me, good job buddy!
I just wanna see if Baker can learn to throw, even if he can just learn to throw as well as Trask did when he played in SEC, I think even that amount of accuracy and arm skill would be enough if you keep all the intangibles he already has. Another challenge that he has to keep in mind is his size. He's small, but plays big, he needs to protect his body or we wont be available *which according to Bill P is the most important ability. He also needs to find throwing lanes better, P Ma has mastered strange throwing angles and off balance throws....watch some tape Baker. Anyhoo, happy Friyay Bishes!!!.
I think we know what Trask is... the Baker haters want his hypothetical play, champions in their own mind, to be better than Baker's season... which by the way clearly exceeded expectations.
Baker isn't elite. He's average.
Trask is a career backup. If we started losing games I was all for seeing Trask...
But guess what? We dug out of a 4-7 hole.
And in large part that was due to Baker and his leadership.
His haters will never admit that... I'll be called a "Baker Bro" for this too
There are Trask supporters here who believe that Trask won preseason, so he should have been a day one starter ON THE MERITS
There are Trask supporters here who called for him to start in October, so WHO WOUDL HE HAVE PLAYED LIKE IN RELIEF? Better than Mayfield. okay that list is known.
There are Trask supporters who post like Trask starting would have, essentially, been a tank it season BUT WORTH IT.
So, what would we have gotten and/o what is Trask on a going forward basis. Maybe he is more like a QB who underperformed Mayfield this year (for those who described him starting solely to see what we have), so who is that QB that underperformed Mayfield but maybe has more upside?
We can see how it turns out.
If we started losing games I was all for seeing Trask...
Why's that?
I think we know what Trask is... the Baker haters want his hypothetical play, champions in their own mind, to be better than Baker's season... which by the way clearly exceeded expectations.
Baker isn't elite. He's average.
Trask is a career backup. If we started losing games I was all for seeing Trask...
But guess what? We dug out of a 4-7 hole.
And in large part that was due to Baker and his leadership.
His haters will never admit that... I'll be called a "Baker Bro" for this too
The part you post where I added the bold is both TRUE (I mentioned that routine trolling above) and the EASY WAY OUT, so that is why I tried to create a scale, a point of reference so that we can get actual PREDICTIONS instead of just "Baker sucks"
So for you maybe Trask is Trevor Lawrence or maybe Geno Smith.
(I mention Smith because he had a great year in the "same offense," but then maybe a little back to earth. Smith is a career backup who excelled later in his career and in a particular system (like Mayfield, arguably). Also, I think, a 2nd rounder? So maybe that is the path for Trask?
If we started losing games I was all for seeing Trask...
This is, essentially, the "tank but worth it" category I mention above, so again maybe consitent with an expectation that he plays like Lawrence or Smith (two QBs who finished below Mayfield statistically)
As to (a), above I try to get people to link their expectation of Trask to a current QB. No takers yet.
It is difficult to compare Trask to any starting QB because he hasn't had the opportunity to play. However, it's not difficult to think he would be better than Mayfield because of the preseason comparison, Mayfield's play in season, and how Trask played in the SEC.
Thanks for responding and well, yes, but that is the very point of my post above.
If one thinks Trask would be better than Mayfield "because of the preseason comparison, Mayfield's play in season, and how Trask played in the SEC" then is he, for example Jordan Love, who sat behind a great QB for a couple years? Is he better than that or is he jared Goff (sort of a system QB)
One variable is KNOWN and that is Mayfield's statistics for the regular season. Love is in his first season at the helm, so is Trask Love or better? If Mayfield is the "floor" because its "not difficult to think [Trask] is better than Mayfield" (a totally reasonable thought) then the list of how Trask hypothetically would have performes this year is known and it includes guys like Jared Goff (decent in the right system) to Jordan Love (certainly has struggles but also got a team to the playoffs)
What I was hoping to do was to get past the normal TROLLING that we have here (too late lol), basically calling people names but then saying nothing more really about Trask then 'Mayfield sucks."
The question is about TRASK.
So what are the actual impressions, especially from people who watched "play in the SEC" about Trask? PR makes it sound like Trask is gone when his contract is up. PR doesnt have the market cornered on "football acumen" though so waht do those who know Trask best think IF Trask plays next year (whether by injury or winning in camp OR EVEN WITH ANOTHER TEAM). Trask will/would produce? Would one expect Jordan Love, Jared Goff? Mahomes? Match Mayfield?
Agreed with this too. I mean all we have regarding Trask right now are Hypotheticals, even concerning Baker...we are engaging in hypothetical conjecture. I think msg boards and forums were created for hypothetical conjecture and refinement through providing facts and data to focus our conjecture. For me, Trask is simply an unknown. I dont really watch football outside of the Bucs, and maybe a Chiefs/Jags/or Dolphins game in passing. Otherwise, all I know is that Trask played for the Gators, 45 min north of me in Ocala and that BA said he was an accurate passer. Thats it, I think Trask has an arm, that he is waiting to show off. Maybe it was too rough and coming out of college his footwork or mechanics were just off and he needed to sit a year or two (behind the GOAT BTW) to refine his arm. Im not scared of who QB's vs the Iggles, we were never supposed to win the division or get to the playoffs anyway (according to the "football minds" LULZ), so whatever now is just cherry on top for me. Now as to Baker and my own, hypothetical conjecture....can Baker get an arm...even if its just as good as the arm that Arians saw in Trask leading us to NAB him in the second round as the heir apparent to da GOAT? I think with all his other positives, if he can learn to throw and process how the defense is trying to thwart him, I think he could be special. Now its just time to do it. Its nice hypothetically conjecturing, but the players themselves have to make it happen for real. Sometimes in life you have to find a way to make the impossible possible through sheer will. TB12 make it happen XXXVI with help from V- He did it again LI with help from E....proof its possible with alil help! And Again here with LOTS OF HELP, JL and BA did that, didnt they? Go Bucs!!!
I have the LEAST information here on Trask because I almost never watched him play in college, SO my information is just the reporting on the team and the opinion expressed recently by SR
With that very limited information Trask is more like Will Levis, maybe?
I think msg boards and forums were created for hypothetical conjecture and refinement through providing facts and data to focus our conjecture.
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Great point. That is the point.
There are obviously people here with lots of football experience, lots of Gator experience too, so if I say BASED ON THE REPORTING that Trask is basically Will Levis who is the QB in the counter argument, if youre in the "better than Mayfield" camp? Or, are most Trask supporters here in the "tank but worth it" camp so he might be Will Levis, but better to find out this year?
It does not seem that difficult -- especially with the regular season stats available -- to connect Trask to another QB based on the information available to the poster. I mean, I think Levis was even a 2nd or maybe 3rd rounder? Didnt he also play in the SEC? so two DATA POINT similarities? I would think one of you would now HOW Trask compared to Levis IN COLLEGE . . theres another DATA POINT
I think msg boards and forums were created for hypothetical conjecture and refinement through providing facts and data to focus our conjecture.
exactly
exactly
Great point. That is the point.
There are obviously people here with lots of football experience, lots of Gator experience too, so if I say BASED ON THE REPORTING that Trask is basically Will Levis who is the QB in the counter argument, if youre in the "better than Mayfield" camp? Or, are most Trask supporters here in the "tank but worth it" camp so he might be Will Levis, but better to find out this year?
HE LEFT. IM WAITING FOR HIS RETURN.
It does not seem that difficult -- especially with the regular season stats available -- to connect Trask to another QB based on the information available to the poster. I mean, I think Levis was even a 2nd or maybe 3rd rounder? Didnt he also play in the SEC? so two DATA POINT similarities? I would think one of you would now HOW Trask compared to Levis IN COLLEGE . . theres another DATA POINT
Strange on how this post started as recovery thoughts regarding players and yet it kinda took its own recovery path. As a nation of Buc fans, we are recovering what we think (hypothetical conjecturing + facts and reality) and are refining as a group our QB/BUQB situation going into our first playoff game cs the stinking IGGLES, I wish McNabb was still their QB so Vea could pancake sac/fumble/safety his a$$. Anyhoo, Im seeing recovery elsewhere too. I see civil discussion on in this post, I see ppl agreeing to disagree and trying to validate their positions civilly....I LIKEY!!!
I see civil discussion on in this post, I see ppl agreeing to disagree and trying to validate their positions civilly
+1
Its very easy to just call people names or to only say that Mayfield sucks, but it also should not be that difficult -- especially for Gator fans - to place Trask.
By the way, on the Eagles. We obviously closed the Vet and then took over the Linc the beginning of the next season, IIRC. If we were to win thsi game there is at least a chance we would send one of their coaches (a good coach) packing. OUCH
I see civil discussion on in this post, I see ppl agreeing to disagree and trying to validate their positions civilly
+1
Its very easy to just call people names or to only say that Mayfield sucks, but it also should not be that difficult -- especially for Gator fans - to place Trask.
By the way, on the Eagles. We obviously closed the Vet and then took over the Linc the beginning of the next season, IIRC. If we were to win thsi game there is at least a chance we would send one of their coaches (a good coach) packing. OUCH
Yeah, when we did that in 2002 and 2003, we finally Conquered the Iggles, Andy Reid, McNabb CURSE. Ronde and crew, Joe J, and Mike Alstott...killed the Iggles in 2003. They have been nothing to fear for us since then. Sure we win some and lose some, buts its not soul crushing losses than made you think "if only if we could get passed them just once." Well we did....better late than never and we did it more spectacularly for the wait. We burnt down their old home, and the next game they played their was against us in 2003, and our house warming gift to them in 2003 was burning down their new home. Thats how we bucs do it. We are all pirates at heart. We burn homes down and plunder the booty!!!! I think, im not sure, but just a feeling....I think the Iggles are coming to our OWN HOME, they wont be able to handle the heat. And the heat is gonna come not only from our BOYS, but also from the 12th man on the field...THE FANS. Get loud fans. On every down attack them, attack them with your voices while they are on offense so they cant understand each other, attack them with your voices when they are on defense, confuse them, make it so loud they cant even get on the same page defensively. Then let the BOYS clean up the rest, and burn their as$es out of our stadium. Its too HOT for Iggles in OUR HOUSE!!!
Less so now, but I used to get the chance to go to a lot of away games. All the big stadiums, always in Bucs stuff, except the VET. The VET was unique. Philly fans are pretty unique themselves.
Would love to win this one!
