The Bucs really have no leverage. and only have three options:1. convince Revis to rework his deal and trade him or keep him2. keep him and pay him a total of $32,000,000 for just two years3. let him walk and lose their investment without even getting a reach aroundThe league and the current Bucs management know that Dom and Schiano screwed the pooch by signing this guyat that salary and nobody is going to pay what the Bucs gave up to get him along with the $16,000,000 even if they got the cap space....So they either have to carry a overpaid player on their roster that won't get them to the promise land or take a loss....
I'm not so sure Sherman would thrive in a m2m scheme. He is aces covering a go, but I think he is a zone corner who is perfect in that role, with a beastly pass rush. REVIS and PP are my 1-2.
Who said anything about Sherman...everyone knows Talib is #1.......but seriously, I think the "he is just a ZC CB" thing is overplayed, and I doubt we would hear it much here if Revis played elsewhere. They do more than just zone with their CBs, especially with Sherman. He would be #1 in any scheme that lines him up at CB from my POV.
As soon as that receiver runs any in cut, he is no longer Sherman's guy. He can cover that go route like no one else, but he doesn't do anything else.
So this is true on 100% Seattle's defensive snaps vs the pass? You wanna go on record with that one?
3. let him walk and lose their investment without even getting a reach around
They get a reach around it just isn't to completion. They have to give up a 3rd round pick right now but if they cut Revis they only give up a 4th round pick. That's worth a touch.
I'm not so sure Sherman would thrive in a m2m scheme. He is aces covering a go, but I think he is a zone corner who is perfect in that role, with a beastly pass rush. REVIS and PP are my 1-2.
Who said anything about Sherman...everyone knows Talib is #1.......but seriously, I think the "he is just a ZC CB" thing is overplayed, and I doubt we would hear it much here if Revis played elsewhere. They do more than just zone with their CBs, especially with Sherman. He would be #1 in any scheme that lines him up at CB from my POV.
As soon as that receiver runs any in cut, he is no longer Sherman's guy. He can cover that go route like no one else, but he doesn't do anything else.
So this is true on 100% Seattle's defensive snaps vs the pass? You wanna go on record with that one?
No it's not true on 100% of Seattle's defensive snaps. No team runs the same coverage/defense every time. With that being said, Seattle is primarily a 4-3 under defense that plays Cover 3 with press from their corners. Sure they do other stuff but the majority of the time they're in that defense. Tons of times you would see a team put both their X and Z to the defenses right side to get away from Sherman and Sherman would just chill to his side with no one split out. Sherman is an absolute baller, don't get me wrong, but he has barely been asked to shadow a receiver all around the field, playing in the slot and having to play the dig with the threat of the corner route. It doesn't mean he couldn't do it but he doesn't need to because the rest of that defense is so damn talented as well.
The Bucs really have no leverage. and only have three options:1. convince Revis to rework his deal and trade him or keep him2. keep him and pay him a total of $32,000,000 for just two years3. let him walk and lose their investment without even getting a reach aroundThe league and the current Bucs management know that Dom and Schiano screwed the pooch by signing this guyat that salary and nobody is going to pay what the Bucs gave up to get him along with the $16,000,000 even if they got the cap space....So they either have to carry a overpaid player on their roster that won't get them to the promise land or take a loss....
The Bucs have a contract that other teams seem to covet. They don't have to do anything.
The Bucs really have no leverage. and only have three options:1. convince Revis to rework his deal and trade him or keep him2. keep him and pay him a total of $32,000,000 for just two years3. let him walk and lose their investment without even getting a reach aroundThe league and the current Bucs management know that Dom and Schiano screwed the pooch by signing this guyat that salary and nobody is going to pay what the Bucs gave up to get him along with the $16,000,000 even if they got the cap space....So they either have to carry a overpaid player on their roster that won't get them to the promise land or take a loss....
The Bucs have a contract that other teams seem to covet. They don't have to do anything.
How so?
The Bucs really have no leverage. and only have three options:1. convince Revis to rework his deal and trade him or keep him2. keep him and pay him a total of $32,000,000 for just two years3. let him walk and lose their investment without even getting a reach aroundThe league and the current Bucs management know that Dom and Schiano screwed the pooch by signing this guyat that salary and nobody is going to pay what the Bucs gave up to get him along with the $16,000,000 even if they got the cap space....So they either have to carry a overpaid player on their roster that won't get them to the promise land or take a loss....
The Bucs have a contract that other teams seem to covet. They don't have to do anything.
How so?
It's not the Bucs who are making the calls...
The Bucs really have no leverage. and only have three options:1. convince Revis to rework his deal and trade him or keep him2. keep him and pay him a total of $32,000,000 for just two years3. let him walk and lose their investment without even getting a reach aroundThe league and the current Bucs management know that Dom and Schiano screwed the pooch by signing this guyat that salary and nobody is going to pay what the Bucs gave up to get him along with the $16,000,000 even if they got the cap space....So they either have to carry a overpaid player on their roster that won't get them to the promise land or take a loss....
The Bucs have a contract that other teams seem to covet. They don't have to do anything.
How so?
It's not the Bucs who are making the calls...
They want the player not the contract....if it was that simple, he would have been gone already....The Bucs want to recoup some of what they paid for...
Throw some more gasoline on the Revis trade fire. Broncos to release Champ Bailey: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/05/report-broncos-to-release-champ-bailey/
thanks for posting, this from the linked article was really the example I was raising yesterday Havok:Revis is set to make $16 million per year — $13 million in base salary, plus a $1.5 million roster bonus due each March and a $1.5 million workout bonus for showing up each offseason. At that structure, Revis’s $16 million salary cap number would be the largest on the Patriots – higher than Tom Brady’s $14.8 million. But that contract comes with a big asterisk, as discovered by the Tampa Tribune. Per the contract, the team can convert Revis’s $13 million salary into a guaranteed bonus at any time. Revis actually would prefer this to happen — instead of waiting for the fall to receive his salary in 17 installments, he’d receive most of it up front in a big, fat check. Converting salary money to bonus money allows a team to spread that cap money over the life of the contract, as the Cardinals did with Larry Fitzgerald last month. So, for example, in 2014 the Patriots could decide to turn $10 million of Revis’s $13 million into bonus money, which would be spread over the final five years of his deal at $2 million per season. That would put Revis’s 2014 salary cap number at $8 million — $3 million in base salary, $2 million bonus proration, $1.5 million roster bonus and $1.5 million workout bonus — which the Patriots easily could handle. The Patriots currently sit with $12.7 million in cap space for 2014, and can create an extra $9.2 million by cutting Dan Connolly, Isaac Sopoaga, Tommy Kelly, Adrian Wilson, and Jake Bequette. They can create even more space by giving contract extensions to Vince Wilfork, Devin McCourty, and Stephen Gostkowski.
The contract is a lump of clay...
I'm not so sure Sherman would thrive in a m2m scheme. He is aces covering a go, but I think he is a zone corner who is perfect in that role, with a beastly pass rush. REVIS and PP are my 1-2.
Who said anything about Sherman...everyone knows Talib is #1.......but seriously, I think the "he is just a ZC CB" thing is overplayed, and I doubt we would hear it much here if Revis played elsewhere. They do more than just zone with their CBs, especially with Sherman. He would be #1 in any scheme that lines him up at CB from my POV.
As soon as that receiver runs any in cut, he is no longer Sherman's guy. He can cover that go route like no one else, but he doesn't do anything else.
So this is true on 100% Seattle's defensive snaps vs the pass? You wanna go on record with that one?
No it's not true on 100% of Seattle's defensive snaps. No team runs the same coverage/defense every time. With that being said, Seattle is primarily a 4-3 under defense that plays Cover 3 with press from their corners. Sure they do other stuff but the majority of the time they're in that defense. Tons of times you would see a team put both their X and Z to the defenses right side to get away from Sherman and Sherman would just chill to his side with no one split out. Sherman is an absolute baller, don't get me wrong, but he has barely been asked to shadow a receiver all around the field, playing in the slot and having to play the dig with the threat of the corner route. It doesn't mean he couldn't do it but he doesn't need to because the rest of that defense is so damn talented as well.
Yup. This has been talked about regarding Dickk Sherman for a minute. He has been blessed with a beast pass rush, and primarily plays zone, and as we both mentioned (449), Sherm is a neutralizer on the GO. But the best? He hasn't shown he can m2m with the best, IMO. He has so many stud secondary players around him, a fast MLB, and a crushing hell storm of a Dline. Those things make him look better than what he is, IMO. I recall a quick slant thrown at Steve Smith, and REVIS bats it away, completely mirrored the route. And I said "He's baaaaack!"REVIS and PP are the best overall corners in the NFL, IMO. Sherman is a close third. We are talking mere percentage points in "quality" in my eyes. With that said, Sherman would be a better corner under Lovie than REVIS would be for Lovie. Sherman was born to play in that sort of scheme. Revis can do that as well, but Sherman is a natural at it. You tell Revis cover that guy all day. And he will exceptionally well. Sherman hasn't been asked to do that. He is basically a huge version of Ronde, with the ability to long stride.
Hey now Boid. I was agreeing with you until you got to that silly talk about what you think Lovie's scheme will be haha. I'll ignore that for now though.As you said, Sherman as a cloud corner would be NASTY.
