I guess I don't see how it really matters what a guy is paid -- let alone a HOFer -- when it is not preventing the Bucs from doing anything and they are just one year deals. The goal is to win not to have the most efficient use of money. The latter can impact the former, no doubt, but its not right now, really. I don't care how much money the Glazers don't pocket, I care abut the Bucs winning.
As Ryan explained quite well restructuring a contract does not lower its total nor does it make money vanish. It moves the cap hit to other years.
there is no contract to restructure, he has one year deals. It exchanging one short contract for a long contract and no team would do that if his annual rate stayed the same, right? his annual rate is premised on the lack of security provided by a ONE YEAR deal, isn't it?
He doesn't have a series of 1 year deals, the contract is a 6 year deal that is done in a way that it appears like a series of 1 year deals.You couldn't actually set up a series of advance 1 year deal.If it were single year deals you wouldn't be able to push money into future years.Then there is the whole idea of reworking the deal every year and pushing it all into the future, that's what stupid teams do, at some point you have to "pay the devil" you would either have him on the books for something almost $30 million in 2018 or end up with almost £16million in dead space if he's cut at that point. the guy get's his average of $16 million a year at some point.
I guess I don't see how it really matters what a guy is paid -- let alone a HOFer -- when it is not preventing the Bucs from doing anything and they are just one year deals. The goal is to win not to have the most efficient use of money. The latter can impact the former, no doubt, but its not right now, really. I don't care how much money the Glazers don't pocket, I care abut the Bucs winning.
What you obviously don't care about are fan-friendly player contracts.
It can be pretty fan friendly for the next 2 years. 8 mil and 11.5 mil for a top CB is not a bad deal at all. By the way, all of this is not taking into account that his contract would likely be renegotiated in 3 years. It really is set up for the Bucs to restructure 3 times then cut/renegotiate.And havok, 14 mil for a top flight cb will be the going rate in 3 years. Soon to be negotiated are Sherman, Haden and PP deals I bet they all start at 10 mil and escalate.
As Ryan explained quite well restructuring a contract does not lower its total nor does it make money vanish. It moves the cap hit to other years.
there is no contract to restructure, he has one year deals. It exchanging one short contract for a long contract and no team would do that if his annual rate stayed the same, right? his annual rate is premised on the lack of security provided by a ONE YEAR deal, isn't it?
He doesn't have a series of 1 year deals, the contract is a 6 year deal that is done in a way that it appears like a series of 1 year deals.You couldn't actually set up a series of advance 1 year deal.If it were single year deals you wouldn't be able to push money into future years.Then there is the whole idea of reworking the deal every year and pushing it all into the future, that's what stupid teams do, at some point you have to "pay the devil" you would either have him on the books for something almost $30 million in 2018 or end up with almost £16million in dead space if he's cut at that point. the guy get's his average of $16 million a year at some point.
assume Revis never plays again, what is he owed by the Bucs?
I guess I don't see how it really matters what a guy is paid -- let alone a HOFer -- when it is not preventing the Bucs from doing anything and they are just one year deals. The goal is to win not to have the most efficient use of money. The latter can impact the former, no doubt, but its not right now, really. I don't care how much money the Glazers don't pocket, I care abut the Bucs winning.
What you obviously don't care about are fan-friendly player contracts.
What the hell is that?
I guess I don't see how it really matters what a guy is paid -- let alone a HOFer -- when it is not preventing the Bucs from doing anything and they are just one year deals. The goal is to win not to have the most efficient use of money. The latter can impact the former, no doubt, but its not right now, really. I don't care how much money the Glazers don't pocket, I care abut the Bucs winning.
What you obviously don't care about are fan-friendly player contracts.
Clearly. I want everyone to stay up at night worrying about Ed Glazer's ability to remodel his closet
Fan-friendly player contracts?Player contracts that fans can be happy with and wil not lose any sleep over it. The Revis contract isn't fan-friendly, becuase while it doesn't currently prevent the team from making any deals with players in the coming week, it's a big # that makes some fans uncomfortable as they order 2 McDoubles and an apple pie for lunch.
I guess I don't see how it really matters what a guy is paid -- let alone a HOFer -- when it is not preventing the Bucs from doing anything and they are just one year deals. The goal is to win not to have the most efficient use of money. The latter can impact the former, no doubt, but its not right now, really. I don't care how much money the Glazers don't pocket, I care abut the Bucs winning.
What you obviously don't care about are fan-friendly player contracts.
Clearly. I want everyone to stay up at night worrying about Ed Glazer's ability to remodel his closet
Man, my sheets were soaked this morning...and it wasnt from piss or semen(for once). This Revis contract is not fair. Got me sweatin'.
thanks for posting, this from the linked article was really the example I was raising yesterday Havok:Revis is set to make $16 million per year — $13 million in base salary, plus a $1.5 million roster bonus due each March and a $1.5 million workout bonus for showing up each offseason. At that structure, Revis’s $16 million salary cap number would be the largest on the Patriots – higher than Tom Brady’s $14.8 million. But that contract comes with a big asterisk, as discovered by the Tampa Tribune. Per the contract, the team can convert Revis’s $13 million salary into a guaranteed bonus at any time. Revis actually would prefer this to happen — instead of waiting for the fall to receive his salary in 17 installments, he’d receive most of it up front in a big, fat check. Converting salary money to bonus money allows a team to spread that cap money over the life of the contract, as the Cardinals did with Larry Fitzgerald last month. So, for example, in 2014 the Patriots could decide to turn $10 million of Revis’s $13 million into bonus money, which would be spread over the final five years of his deal at $2 million per season. That would put Revis’s 2014 salary cap number at $8 million — $3 million in base salary, $2 million bonus proration, $1.5 million roster bonus and $1.5 million workout bonus — which the Patriots easily could handle. The Patriots currently sit with $12.7 million in cap space for 2014, and can create an extra $9.2 million by cutting Dan Connolly, Isaac Sopoaga, Tommy Kelly, Adrian Wilson, and Jake Bequette. They can create even more space by giving contract extensions to Vince Wilfork, Devin McCourty, and Stephen Gostkowski.
The problem with that idea is it focuses on 2014, what about 2015 and beyond when his cap figure is now an even worse $18 million.Thinking short term will kill you long term.
except that as a percentage of the expected cap it doesn't really change. Pretty much hovers at 12%. So it doesn't really get worse, provided the info on the cap is correct.
I guess I don't see how it really matters what a guy is paid -- let alone a HOFer -- when it is not preventing the Bucs from doing anything and they are just one year deals. The goal is to win not to have the most efficient use of money. The latter can impact the former, no doubt, but its not right now, really. I don't care how much money the Glazers don't pocket, I care abut the Bucs winning.
What you obviously don't care about are fan-friendly player contracts.
Clearly. I want everyone to stay up at night worrying about Ed Glazer's ability to remodel his closet
Man, my sheets were soaked this morning...and it wasnt from piss or semen(for once). This Revis contract is not fair. Got me sweatin'.
you're sweating? . . think about poor Ed
Needs more orange.
Needs more orange.
yeah, but how about those pewter walls .. . . .oh .. . damn . . . I mean black
Jdub would probably be open to putting together a re-design model closet fot him with actual pewter walls...
After going out the last 2 years you still only have a cap hit of $18.83 mil in 2017 if you do the same restructure, then you have a $12.83 mil cap hit if you cut him before March 11, 2018. If Revis is still a top CB in 2017, then $18.83 mil really won't be a terrible price.So if you're cap hit structure looked like this, would you want Revis?2014: $8 mil2015: $11.5 mil2016: $13.83 mil2017: $18.83 mil2018: $12.83 mil cap hit
And you're leaving out 15M in bonuses. If you restructured to lower his number that much in those first 4 years his 2018 cap hit would be 27.84M with 15.01M guaranteed if we cut him or not. You want to know how a team gets themselves into cap hell? Doing stuff like this.
