Nope.What was the situation? Did we need to pass? Did we need a big back to assist in blitz pick-up? White is the only one who has the body-mass to do that consistently & effectively - the other backs may be more productive, but Tucker’s not much bigger than Bucky…When I saw that Tucker wasn’t part of the 1st half plan - I had begun to think we might use Tucker as a second-half surprise - and sure enough he opened it that way.
I think Coen is using the weapons he has as well as he can right now.
But what happened after that? Tucker for 3. Tucker for 6. Tucker for 5 plus the 15. Then icedddddd.
Tucker has a bigger body mass than White.
White - 6’ 0” & 214 lbs
Tucker - 5’ 10” & 205 lbs
Irving - 5’ 10” & 195 lbs
Plus, White has proven to be a more effective back in blitz pick-up.
Don't think you know what body mass means
What was the situation? Did we need to pass?When I saw that Tucker wasn’t part of the 1st half plan - I had begun to think we might use Tucker as a second-half surprise - and sure enough he opened it that way.
I think Coen is using the weapons he has as well as he can right now.
But what happened after that? Tucker for 3. Tucker for 6. Tucker for 5 plus the 15. Then icedddddd.
against the Chiefs BOTH Irving and Tucker are in for KO.
The Chief start the 2nd half and KO to Irving who runs it back 46 yard
So, Tucker steps in to run and he does okay and the Bucs drive for a TD, staring from our own 49.
KC gets the ball, we get a stop and they punt.
AS THEY DO, the Bucs rotate runners back to Irving and the drive results in a FG because Wirfs gets a facemask penalty.
The Bucs have the lead BUT NOW ITS THE 4th quarter and IN the 4th quarter our lead evaporates IMMEDIATELY because KC score A TD on a 6:30 drive
Tucker does get in but we PUNT. HIS CONTRIBUTION WAS A 3YRD RUN. we only have the ball for 1:30
We punt, KC scores another TD. This time an 8:30 drive
IT IS NOW A SHOOTOUT AND THERE IS ONLY 1:38 LEFT
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THE TUCKER TROLLS MUST NOT WATCH THE ACTUAL GAME?
What was the situation? Did we need to pass? Did we need a big back to assist in blitz pick-up? White is the only one who has the body-mass to do that consistently & effectively - the other backs may be more productive, but Tucker’s not much bigger than Bucky…When I saw that Tucker wasn’t part of the 1st half plan - I had begun to think we might use Tucker as a second-half surprise - and sure enough he opened it that way.
I think Coen is using the weapons he has as well as he can right now.
But what happened after that? Tucker for 3. Tucker for 6. Tucker for 5 plus the 15. Then icedddddd.
Tucker has a bigger body mass than White.
Are you arguing that Tucker is a better pass blocker? Is he now Emmitt Smith, ‘Nique, and Marshall Faulk all in one?
This thread is like an inescapable tomb for the wanna be GM trolls. They are even turning on each other!
Again, it’s within the perspective of situational football.There aren’t conspiracies, consistently applied, to keep really productive players OFF the field.
I think it’s situationally driven, I believe coaches can get locked into personnel packages that are favorites. But the idea that certain players (ie, Kyle Trask last season & now Sean Tucker) are being purposely discriminated against for whatever purpose - is just silly.
Like I said before (and you begrudgingly agreed), if Bucky received the same treatment after a 200-yard, multi-TD performance; you would be livid.
And, you’ve already provided your own “conspiracies” talking about possible trade, etc.
The conspiracy you suggest, would be on Coen, your pick as the future HC.
Again, you were buying into your own “conspiracy” on the matter. And, agreed you’d be pissed if the same happened to Bucky.
Odd that you’ve suddenly changed your tune.
No, I do still think that it’s odd, but I’m thinking that there’s more data as we get further beyond his breakout game, and it’s starting to look like a situational/blitz pick-up issue.Again, it’s within the perspective of situational football.There aren’t conspiracies, consistently applied, to keep really productive players OFF the field.
I think it’s situationally driven, I believe coaches can get locked into personnel packages that are favorites. But the idea that certain players (ie, Kyle Trask last season & now Sean Tucker) are being purposely discriminated against for whatever purpose - is just silly.
Like I said before (and you begrudgingly agreed), if Bucky received the same treatment after a 200-yard, multi-TD performance; you would be livid.
And, you’ve already provided your own “conspiracies” talking about possible trade, etc.
The conspiracy you suggest, would be on Coen, your pick as the future HC.
Again, you were buying into your own “conspiracy” on the matter. And, agreed you’d be pissed if the same happened to Bucky.
Odd that you’ve suddenly changed your tune.
Coen has also begun to use him as a fresh horse in the 2nd half. All 3 are similar backs, but White is good in pass & running situations - and is best in pass blocking/blitz pick-up, Bucky is a better pure runner, but also can catch. The plan may have been to gain a lead going into the 2nd half and hit them with a fresh back like Tucker - and there’s ZERO drop off.
Like any good theory, you have to reassess with new data. We are past the trade deadline and Tucker did not get traded.
I don’t think Coen or Bowles have a conspiracy to keep talent in the bench.
No, I do still think that it’s odd, but I’m thinking that there’s more data as we get further beyond his breakout game, and it’s starting to look like a situational/blitz pick-up issue
Interesting.
Do you have examples?
Just watching the games.No, I do still think that it’s odd, but I’m thinking that there’s more data as we get further beyond his breakout game, and it’s starting to look like a situational/blitz pick-up issue
Interesting.
Do you have examples?
Do you have an indication from players or coaches that Coen is benching Tucker in favor of White and/or Bucky?
Just watching the games.No, I do still think that it’s odd, but I’m thinking that there’s more data as we get further beyond his breakout game, and it’s starting to look like a situational/blitz pick-up issue
Interesting.
Do you have examples?
Do you have an indication from players or coaches that Coen is benching Tucker in favor of White and/or Bucky?
Just watching the games.
Conspiracy theories are ego protection. Bending reality to conform with a belief because not doing so would be admitting error.
in JC’s case it’s a trolling device but for most it’s a way to explain truth that is inconsistent with their own positions
White was top dog but then it should be Tucker based on one game, but it’s actually Irving so … it’s Coen or Licht doing something other than competing
We have 3 good rbs. Tucker is good but I think he's our third best RB.
But it's close and they all do different things well..great problem to have.
Wish we had this kind of depth on defense
But it's close and they all do different things well..great problem to have.
It is a tremendous "problem" to have.
It is only STILL discussed in this thread like it is because this is REALITY, as described by Pewter Report and PFF
PEWTER REPORT:
"Coming into the year, third-year running back Rachaad White was expected to see the most playing time in the backfield, with Bucky Irving being his change-of-pace complement. At the midseason point though, Irving has outplayed White and is the team’s leading rusher by a substantial margin.
The two had been on a nearly even 50/50 carry split until recently. Over the past two games, the fourth-round rookie has received the most carries and has also had 10 receptions over that same time frame after having just 13 receptions over his first seven games. Safe to say that Irving has become more of a factor in offensive coordinator Liam Coen’s plans."
PFF:
"The Buccaneers had a bit of uncertainty surrounding the team’s running back position, but Irving has helped render it a three-headed monster. The Oregon product has posted an 82.5 overall grade, including an 80.0 rushing mark and an 84.8 receiving grade. Irving’s receiving grade is the third-best among qualified running backs."
That reality rubs some the wrong way because of the predictions they made and the position they took and the trolling that have engaged in . . . IN THIS THREAD
LOL
“I did that in college,” Irving said this week about his receiving skills being utilized. “That’s what they brought me here for, to catch balls out of the backfield, protect [the quarterback], and run the football.”
The Bucs’ run game ranked dead last in the league in both 2022 and 2023, and Irving is a big reason why it has taken off in 2024 and currently ranks in the top half of the NFL.
We have 3 good rbs. Tucker is good but I think he's our third best RB.
But it's close and they all do different things well..great problem to have.
Wish we had this kind of depth on defense
I agree that we have 3 good backs.
I think that Tucker is the best pure runner. White is the best pass blocker/receiver. And Bucky is a mix of the both, with some elusiveness that the others don't quite have.
Coen simply needs to do a better job with the snap distributions.
And, yes, would love to have that kind of problem with our defense.
I think that Tucker is the best pure runner. White is the best pass blocker/receiver. And Bucky is a mix of the both, with some elusiveness that the others don't quite have.
way to come around, kiddo
