"And youre unreasonable if you mind anyone hitting on you."All those women claiming sexual harassment are just being unreasonable, you say?
You're over-generalizing. There are plenty of baseless sexual harassment suits, and plenty of valid sexual harassment suits. Sometimes the offender is making an honest mistake, sometimes the offender is being malicious.If a gay guy tells you that he thinks you're attractive and asks if you're gay, you're going to slap him with a sexual harassment suit and claim he's violating your rights? Or you're going to say something like, "No, I'm not. Sorry."
Women slap men with harassment suits for the same thing all the time.
And they'll be quickly dismissed
No, they won't.You've clearly never seen an accusation like that and what it entails. It's a "guilty until proven innocent" thing these days and can destroy a career even if it is completely fabricated.
1. How do you know there are gay men in the NFL?2. Who has said anything about actual physical contact?
Do you think that gay ex-players didn't become gay until their playing days were over?
Uhh everyone knows that's how it works, silly.
I'm asking you, straight up, why is it important for straight guys and gay guys to shower separately? Also, if you showered with a gay guy, why would you feel uncomfortable? It wouldn't bother me in the least and honestly, it wouldn't even cross my mind at all. I'd be there to shower and leave. What I don't get is why it bothers you and people like Vilma so much. This isn't an attack or anything, I'm honestly curious what your reasoning behind it is.
The reasoning has been provided multiple times by multiple posters in this thread. It's now what you want to see so you ignore it. A gay man is going to check out other men, just as a straight man is going to check out women. Attraction is attraction. It seems as though you believe straight men can't control their desire to check out a woman, but gay man can control their desire to check out other men. In other words, you seem to believe gay men are more respectful than straight men. This is just an example of how certain people go overboard with their opinions concerning minority groups in order to toe the PC line. You have such a fear of being known as a racist/sexist/homophobe etc, that you elevate these groups to a point where you can say "see, I accept everyone". It's irrational, and it's transparent.As I said, attraction is attraction. If you take issue with straight men not wanting to shower with gay men, then you also need to take issue with women not wanting to shower with men. It is literally the exact same thing.
I have, personally, been intimate yet professional working environments with women and I was able to control myself and concentrate on the work
How?!
Musical theater since I was 5. I went to a performing arts middle school, a performing arts high school, and I studied theater in college and did some work professionally. I've worked as a stagehand, actor, stage manager, assistant costume designer, assistant set designer, shop manager, tons of stuff. All kinds of things happen.
"And youre unreasonable if you mind anyone hitting on you."All those women claiming sexual harassment are just being unreasonable, you say?
You're over-generalizing. There are plenty of baseless sexual harassment suits, and plenty of valid sexual harassment suits. Sometimes the offender is making an honest mistake, sometimes the offender is being malicious.If a gay guy tells you that he thinks you're attractive and asks if you're gay, you're going to slap him with a sexual harassment suit and claim he's violating your rights? Or you're going to say something like, "No, I'm not. Sorry."
Women slap men with harassment suits for the same thing all the time.
And they'll be quickly dismissed
No, they won't.You've clearly never seen an accusation like that and what it entails. It's a "guilty until proven innocent" thing these days and can destroy a career even if it is completely fabricated.
You're clearly thinking of a different circumstance than what is entailed in the quoted comments.
1. How do you know there are gay men in the NFL?2. Who has said anything about actual physical contact?
Do you think that gay ex-players didn't become gay until their playing days were over?
Uhh everyone knows that's how it works, silly.
No, you. You're silly, you silly billy.
I'm asking you, straight up, why is it important for straight guys and gay guys to shower separately? Also, if you showered with a gay guy, why would you feel uncomfortable? It wouldn't bother me in the least and honestly, it wouldn't even cross my mind at all. I'd be there to shower and leave. What I don't get is why it bothers you and people like Vilma so much. This isn't an attack or anything, I'm honestly curious what your reasoning behind it is.
The reasoning has been provided multiple times by multiple posters in this thread. It's now what you want to see so you ignore it. A gay man is going to check out other men, just as a straight man is going to check out women. Attraction is attraction. It seems as though you believe straight men can't control their desire to check out a woman, but gay man can control their desire to check out other men. In other words, you seem to believe gay men are more respectful than straight men. This is just an example of how certain people go overboard with their opinions concerning minority groups in order to toe the PC line. You have such a fear of being known as a racist/sexist/homophobe etc, that you elevate these groups to a point where you can say "see, I accept everyone". It's irrational, and it's transparent.As I said, attraction is attraction. If you take issue with straight men not wanting to shower with gay men, then you also need to take issue with women not wanting to shower with men. It is literally the exact same thing.
I have, personally, been intimate yet professional working environments with women and I was able to control myself and concentrate on the work
How?!
Musical theater since I was 5. I went to a performing arts middle school, a performing arts high school, and I studied theater in college and did some work professionally. I've worked as a stagehand, actor, stage manager, assistant costume designer, assistant set designer, shop manager, tons of stuff. All kinds of things happen.
And you managed not to put your Richard on someone you thought was attractive? Bravo.
I think you guys are overestimating how good looking you really are. I doubt the guys complaining about it are good looking enough to get hit on by a gay dude. Maybe they are so butthurt they haven't been hit on by a gay dude that they are now bashing them.
"And youre unreasonable if you mind anyone hitting on you."All those women claiming sexual harassment are just being unreasonable, you say?
You're over-generalizing. There are plenty of baseless sexual harassment suits, and plenty of valid sexual harassment suits. Sometimes the offender is making an honest mistake, sometimes the offender is being malicious.If a gay guy tells you that he thinks you're attractive and asks if you're gay, you're going to slap him with a sexual harassment suit and claim he's violating your rights? Or you're going to say something like, "No, I'm not. Sorry."
Women slap men with harassment suits for the same thing all the time.
B.S.Harassment suits are mostly based on an over the top pattern of behavior by a superior to subordinate, not one comment between peers
I think you guys are overestimating how good looking you really are. I doubt the guys complaining about it are good looking enough to get hit on by a gay dude. Maybe they are so butthurt they haven't been hit on by a gay dude that they are now bashing them.
Truth!!I've been there, didn't bother me at all. I simply let the guy know i don't swing that way and that was it. No need to get all bent about it.
I'm asking you, straight up, why is it important for straight guys and gay guys to shower separately? Also, if you showered with a gay guy, why would you feel uncomfortable? It wouldn't bother me in the least and honestly, it wouldn't even cross my mind at all. I'd be there to shower and leave. What I don't get is why it bothers you and people like Vilma so much. This isn't an attack or anything, I'm honestly curious what your reasoning behind it is.
The reasoning has been provided multiple times by multiple posters in this thread. It's now what you want to see so you ignore it. A gay man is going to check out other men, just as a straight man is going to check out women. Attraction is attraction. It seems as though you believe straight men can't control their desire to check out a woman, but gay man can control their desire to check out other men. In other words, you seem to believe gay men are more respectful than straight men. This is just an example of how certain people go overboard with their opinions concerning minority groups in order to toe the PC line. You have such a fear of being known as a racist/sexist/homophobe etc, that you elevate these groups to a point where you can say "see, I accept everyone". It's irrational, and it's transparent.As I said, attraction is attraction. If you take issue with straight men not wanting to shower with gay men, then you also need to take issue with women not wanting to shower with men. It is literally the exact same thing.
I have, personally, been intimate yet professional working environments with women and I was able to control myself and concentrate on the work. I already explained that earlier, so your point about me believing straight men can't control their desires doesn't apply to me. I've controlled myself under similar situations plenty of times and I believe that gay or straight, if someone is a professional, they can control their sexual desires in a work environment just fine. Not because they said it on some news channel I don't watch or some news blog that I don't read, but because of my personal experiences in similar situations.I really don't care about what labels you choose to pin on me and so I don't have any fear about those labels because they don't matter whatsoever. I live my life for me and I'm perfectly comfortable with who and where I am in life. I don't believe I'm racist/sexist/homophobic etc, but I'm open minded enough to consider the possibility if you present a convincing argument as to why I am. I don't actively attempt to accept other people. The people I meet in my life and the people they are, and their race, sexual preference, age, gender, height, etc just don't really matter to me.You know I think this is the source of our disconnect. I honestly don't care about those things. I mean I really, honestly don't care at all. For whatever reason, you do. Whether it's because of your religious background, upbringing, I don't know. To you, putting labels on me is a seriously important thing. It's how you define others. And that's totally fine that you do that, but to me labels don't always fit because people are all so different from one another. I think it's got a lot more to do with you and I having different cognitive processes for critical thinking and reasoning than anything else. I don't have any issues with straight men showering with gay men. I asked why it bothers you, which again you didn't answer. So I'll ask, again, why would you, personally, be bothered by showering in a professional NFL locker room with men present who you knew were gay? What about it makes you uncomfortable? The team at Mizzou seemed to handle it okay last season.
You have things backwards. I don't put labels on anyone, labels are for PC cowards. I'm talking about people ignoring logic to argue ideas that don't make sense, for no other reason than to appease the PC crowd. I answered your question, as have several others. You're going to continue ignoring the answer because it doesn't align with your illogical viewpoint. I get that. When you want to start arguing that straight men should be allowed to shower with women, whether women are comfortable with it or not, I'll take your interest in this subject as genuine. Until then, you're just exposing yourself as a phony.
I'm asking you, straight up, why is it important for straight guys and gay guys to shower separately? Also, if you showered with a gay guy, why would you feel uncomfortable? It wouldn't bother me in the least and honestly, it wouldn't even cross my mind at all. I'd be there to shower and leave. What I don't get is why it bothers you and people like Vilma so much. This isn't an attack or anything, I'm honestly curious what your reasoning behind it is.
The reasoning has been provided multiple times by multiple posters in this thread. It's now what you want to see so you ignore it. A gay man is going to check out other men, just as a straight man is going to check out women. Attraction is attraction. It seems as though you believe straight men can't control their desire to check out a woman, but gay man can control their desire to check out other men. In other words, you seem to believe gay men are more respectful than straight men. This is just an example of how certain people go overboard with their opinions concerning minority groups in order to toe the PC line. You have such a fear of being known as a racist/sexist/homophobe etc, that you elevate these groups to a point where you can say "see, I accept everyone". It's irrational, and it's transparent.As I said, attraction is attraction. If you take issue with straight men not wanting to shower with gay men, then you also need to take issue with women not wanting to shower with men. It is literally the exact same thing.
I have, personally, been intimate yet professional working environments with women and I was able to control myself and concentrate on the work
How?!
Musical theater since I was 5. I went to a performing arts middle school, a performing arts high school, and I studied theater in college and did some work professionally. I've worked as a stagehand, actor, stage manager, assistant costume designer, assistant set designer, shop manager, tons of stuff. All kinds of things happen.
And you managed not to put your Richard on someone you thought was attractive? Bravo.
Well, not onstage, during a show. In the booth during tech rehearsal a few times though. In fact, the first time I was ever with a black girl sexually was during a very boring tech rehearsal in my sophomore year of college. She had gotten this piercing and I asked to see it...I miss college.
"And youre unreasonable if you mind anyone hitting on you."All those women claiming sexual harassment are just being unreasonable, you say?
You're over-generalizing. There are plenty of baseless sexual harassment suits, and plenty of valid sexual harassment suits. Sometimes the offender is making an honest mistake, sometimes the offender is being malicious.If a gay guy tells you that he thinks you're attractive and asks if you're gay, you're going to slap him with a sexual harassment suit and claim he's violating your rights? Or you're going to say something like, "No, I'm not. Sorry."
Women slap men with harassment suits for the same thing all the time.
And they'll be quickly dismissed
No, they won't.You've clearly never seen an accusation like that and what it entails. It's a "guilty until proven innocent" thing these days and can destroy a career even if it is completely fabricated.
You're clearly thinking of a different circumstance than what is entailed in the quoted comments.
No, I'm not.The mere accusation is a devastating blow against someone. I've seen sexual and racial harassment suits made from whole cloth and ended up costing people jobs even when it was clear they were substanceless. There is a "witch hunt" mindset about those things that has nothing to do with presumption of innocence or fair hearing. Hell, there are still guys that have been kick out of college and banned from schools for "rape" who are still banned after the police file charges against the girls for filing a false report.
1. How do you know there are gay men in the NFL?2. Who has said anything about actual physical contact?
Do you think that gay ex-players didn't become gay until their playing days were over?And is the name Ernest Givins familiar to you?
The point is that you don't have a clue how many gay players there actually are. For all you know there are two, or three. You act as if every NFL locker room has gay players, that players already deal with this issue. As I said before, Sam putting this out there before he's even drafted changes everything. It's not the same situation as a closeted gay man coming out after his playing days are over.
1. How do you know there are gay men in the NFL?2. Who has said anything about actual physical contact?
Do you think that gay ex-players didn't become gay until their playing days were over?And is the name Ernest Givins familiar to you?
The point is that you don't have a clue how many gay players there actually are. For all you know there are two, or three. You act as if every NFL locker room has gay players, that players already deal with this issue. As I said before, Sam putting this out there before he's even drafted changes everything. It's not the same situation as a closeted gay man coming out after his playing days are over.
So it's okay to shower with a closeted gay man, but not an openly gay man? You sound like a man in the closet yourself. Here I will open the closet for you -
It's not about it being okay or not okay, it's about being uncomfortable or comfortable. If you don't know a man is gay, you have no reason to be uncomfortable. When a man openly admits he is gay, and hasn't even started his career yet, that changes everything. Judging by your comments in this thread, and the creation thread in the cove, you seem to be a very stupid person. I'm not surprised you're having so much trouble with this.
