Vilma is 100% correct, of course there is going to be resistance to change. There always is. But if a team of college kids can learn how to thrive in a similar situation, then a team of NFL players ought to be able to as well.
The kids at Mizzou knew that Sam was gay all year long and produced a 12-2 record and a win in the Cottonbowl (which included a strip sack that sealed the game by Michael Sam). The military has welcomed in openly gay people for a while now.Literally thousands of straight people are working with openly gay people every single day and have learned not only to have an air of tolerance and acceptance, but to thrive and succeed. I don't see why anyone else can't be as mature and professional as 18-22 year old college kids, or our military officers and enlisted personnel.I'm not calling anyone a caveman for feeling uncomfortable. I get modesty and I get embarrassment or fear or whatever is causing the uncomfortable feelings. I'm just curious why an NFL workplace would be not be able to handle what college kids were able to handle and why NFL players would not be able to accept what military personnel have accepted.No one is forcing anyone else to shower with anyone. I don't know why that's being attributed to me. Never once have I said that anyone should shower with anyone else, nor would I shame someone for not wanting to. That's completely up to the individual and whatever emotion, feeling or desire that such a situation produces is entirely personal and should be kept that way. But the fact that Vilma is uncomfortable showering with an openly gay teammate shouldn't prevent openly gay men from being on NFL teams. Also, as others have said, if your locker room is in such shambles that having an openly gay teammate will cause issues, then you have much larger problems than a homosexual as a teammate.Again, Mizzou went 12-2 with an openly gay player and won the Cottonbowl. The argument that this will cause a distraction that can't be overcome is downright ludicrous.
Nobody is saying he can't or should not play football, all that is being said is that an openly gay male in the locker room raises legitimate privacy issues.
Vilma is 100% correct, of course there is going to be resistance to change. There always is. But if a team of college kids can learn how to thrive in a similar situation, then a team of NFL players ought to be able to as well.
The Patriot's will pick him up if no one else will. He's not going to go undrafted but he might fall a few rounds.
This one time in band camp .....
;D.....well played!!
The kids at Mizzou knew that Sam was gay all year long and produced a 12-2 record and a win in the Cottonbowl (which included a strip sack that sealed the game by Michael SamAgain, Mizzou went 12-2 with an openly gay player and won the Cottonbowl. The argument that this will cause a distraction that can't be overcome is downright ludicrous.
I applaud the team mates at Mizzou for both their maturity, and their ability to respect the young man's privacy and keep it amongst themselves and not become a national story, and a distraction. That however, is no longer the case- it is a national story and a big one. I also think that many, perhaps most locker rooms, perhaps all locker rooms in the NFL will also respect this new dynamic with surprisingly few waves. But it is naïve to think that this will not be a distraction. Even if his team mates never give even a second thought to his presence or his sexuality, and are as socially progressive as every one could wish for, the national media will flock to this story, Sam, and his team mates like starving seagulls. This year, some of the Buccaneer players were openly frustrated and annoyed by local media and small drabs of the media continuously asking them questions about MRSA. That story is a two line obit notice for an unidentified homeless body found in the streets of Philadelphia compared to this story. Coaches and teams are creatures of habit, many hate 4 o'clock games because they interfere with the standard game day routines. Most NFL organizations do not want to participate in Hard Knocks, not because they HBO-phobic, but because they recognize and wish to avoid the certain distractions created by both the cameras, band the ensuing press the show creates. I'm not saying its fair, and I'm not saying I wouldn't want the young man on my team. I'm only pointing out that this is a real issue that GMs, and front offices will have to consider when scouting him, just like Tebow or Vick, and it might very well and understandably affect his his draft position.
Vilma is 100% correct, of course there is going to be resistance to change. There always is. But if a team of college kids can learn how to thrive in a similar situation, then a team of NFL players ought to be able to as well.
The Patriot's will pick him up if no one else will. He's not going to go undrafted but he might fall a few rounds.
That may be safe landing spot, with a coach and leadership able to manage distractions and/or possible dissent.
Vilma is 100% correct, of course there is going to be resistance to change. There always is. But if a team of college kids can learn how to thrive in a similar situation, then a team of NFL players ought to be able to as well.
The Patriot's will pick him up if no one else will. He's not going to go undrafted but he might fall a few rounds.
just to offer a different perspective, a team in a market with a large gay community might want him from a marketing perspective because his numbered jersey (assuming he makes the team) might sell like crazy in the gay community and even outside the community. The number jersey will become a statement of sorts.
Vilma is 100% correct, of course there is going to be resistance to change. There always is. But if a team of college kids can learn how to thrive in a similar situation, then a team of NFL players ought to be able to as well.
The Patriot's will pick him up if no one else will. He's not going to go undrafted but he might fall a few rounds.
just to offer a different perspective, a team in a market with a large gay community might want him from a marketing perspective because his numbered jersey (assuming he makes the team) might sell like crazy in the gay community and even outside the community. The number jersey will become a statement of sorts.
San Fran
Vilma is 100% correct, of course there is going to be resistance to change. There always is. But if a team of college kids can learn how to thrive in a similar situation, then a team of NFL players ought to be able to as well.
The Patriot's will pick him up if no one else will. He's not going to go undrafted but he might fall a few rounds.
just to offer a different perspective, a team in a market with a large gay community might want him from a marketing perspective because his numbered jersey (assuming he makes the team) might sell like crazy in the gay community and even outside the community. The number jersey will become a statement of sorts.
San Fran
xD Thats exactly what I was gonna say
Vilma is 100% correct, of course there is going to be resistance to change. There always is. But if a team of college kids can learn how to thrive in a similar situation, then a team of NFL players ought to be able to as well.
The Patriot's will pick him up if no one else will. He's not going to go undrafted but he might fall a few rounds.
just to offer a different perspective, a team in a market with a large gay community might want him from a marketing perspective because his numbered jersey (assuming he makes the team) might sell like crazy in the gay community and even outside the community. The number jersey will become a statement of sorts.
San Fran
xD Thats exactly what I was gonna say
Or Miami.
I've been there, didn't bother me at all. I simply let the guy know i don't swing that way and that was it. No need to get all bent over about it.
Uh... what?
Had a gay guy tell me i was hot once..... told the guy i wasn't interested, and moved on. No need to get all paranoid. Is that so difficult to grasp?
Was it awkward being around Jdud after that ?
I've been there, didn't bother me at all. I simply let the guy know i don't swing that way and that was it. No need to get all bent over about it.
Uh... what?
Had a gay guy tell me i was hot once..... told the guy i wasn't interested, and moved on. No need to get all paranoid. Is that so difficult to grasp?
Was it awkward being around Jdud after that ?
Dude get off Jdub's D. You're like a female elementary school bully.
I've been there, didn't bother me at all. I simply let the guy know i don't swing that way and that was it. No need to get all bent over about it.
Uh... what?
Had a gay guy tell me i was hot once..... told the guy i wasn't interested, and moved on. No need to get all paranoid. Is that so difficult to grasp?
Was it awkward being around Jdud after that ?
Kinda middle schoolish, would you not agree?
I've been there, didn't bother me at all. I simply let the guy know i don't swing that way and that was it. No need to get all bent over about it.
Uh... what?
Had a gay guy tell me i was hot once..... told the guy i wasn't interested, and moved on. No need to get all paranoid. Is that so difficult to grasp?
Was it awkward being around Jdud after that ?
Kinda middle schoolish, would you not agree?
This is the Red Board....and you come here expecting what exactly?
I think we can sum this up to we have a lot of insecure guys on this board. Who think they are gods gift to gay men. They are so irresistible to gay men that gay men would stare at them in the showers rather than actually shower. Guys, hate to break it to you, but you aren't that good looking. I don't remember the people against this shower thing saying they have been hit on by a gay man. Also the point is nobody is being forced to shower with anybody. Don't like it? Go home and shower. Hard concept to grasp for people.
