Everyone is Bi now ? LolBeavis is a barrel of laughs.
Are you aware that male and female hormones are present in both sexes?
Yes. And your point is what? Homosexuality is a hormone deficiency?
Are you Dolorous' spokesperson?
Apparently Hate gets mad when his questions are answered , lol.
Mad...about what? I frequent this board for entertainment purposes only. When that ceases, i'll try a different avenue.
Beavis is clearly confused about his sexuality , and is trying to project his confusion on to the rest of us . LOL . How cute . Don't worry , princess . When people grow into maturity , they tend to figure out the things they like. You'll get there one day.
So because I have a good knowledge base on human sexuality, that makes me confused? Dude, are you f***ing retarded?
Beavis is clearly confused about his sexuality , and is trying to project his confusion on to the rest of us . LOL . How cute . Don't worry , princess . When people grow into maturity , they tend to figure out the things they like. You'll get there one day.
So because I have a good knowledge base on human sexuality, that makes me confused? Dude, are you f***ing retarded?
LMAO.... its reading threads like these that make me wanna meet some of these guys in person. Surely their true personalities can't be this warped, can they??
Beavis is clearly confused about his sexuality , and is trying to project his confusion on to the rest of us . LOL . How cute . Don't worry , princess . When people grow into maturity , they tend to figure out the things they like. You'll get there one day.
So because I have a good knowledge base on human sexuality, that makes me confused? Dude, are you f***ing retarded?
LMAO.... its reading threads like these that make me wanna meet some of these guys in person. Surely their true personalities can't be this warped, can they??
I swear it's some basement dweller that got kicked out of 4chan and comes here to troll.
I'd love to sit around a table with a few red boarders, adult bev in hand of course, and just watch/listen.
Beavis is clearly confused about his sexuality , and is trying to project his confusion on to the rest of us . LOL . How cute . Don't worry , princess . When people grow into maturity , they tend to figure out the things they like. You'll get there one day.
So because I have a good knowledge base on human sexuality, that makes me confused? Dude, are you f***ing retarded?
LMAO.... its reading threads like these that make me wanna meet some of these guys in person. Surely their true personalities can't be this warped, can they??
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This reminds me so much of the argument surrounding allowing female reporters in the locker room.
just because you disagree with a person's reservations about females (then) or homosexuals (now) in a locker room does not make those people or their opinions invalid or unreasonable. it's easy for those of us on this side of the locker room door, who shower alone at home or behind little curtains at the gym to say it's okay. Those men however must live with the changes, and they are entitled to their opinions or feelings, no matter how irrational you or I may feel they are.I was on a playground recently, when a white mother of a white child were feeding some ducks from a bag of bread they had brought with them. There was a young black kid around three years old standing near them and watching. The mother kindly told her daughter to and I quote: "share some with that little boy, I bet he'd like to help." The boy's mother, who was sitting near by ran to the other mom - outraged. She loudly and quite forcefully explained that no white person should call a black male child a "little boy" but rather a "little man" and "how stupid could you be?." The little girls mother was clearly mortified and apologized profusely, before quickly leaving the park. It was a very uncomfortable scene, and to me might seem completely unnecessary and irrational. But that woman is entitled to her opinion; an opinion shaped by her life experience and raising. I may not understand it, but I can respect it.
This reminds me so much of the argument surrounding allowing female reporters in the locker room.
just because you disagree with a person's reservations about females (then) or homosexuals (now) in a locker room does not make those people or their opinions invalid or unreasonable. it's easy for those of us on this side of the locker room door, who shower alone at home or behind little curtains at the gym to say it's okay. Those men however must live with the changes, and they are entitled to their opinions or feelings, no matter how irrational you or I may feel they are.I was on a playground recently, when a white mother of a white child were feeding some ducks from a bag of bread they had brought with them. There was a young black kid around three years old standing near them and watching. The mother kindly told her daughter to and I quote: "share some with that little boy, I bet he'd like to help." The boy's mother, who was sitting near by ran to the other mom - outraged. She loudly and quite forcefully explained that no white person should call a black male child a "little boy" but rather a "little man" and "how stupid could you be?." The little girls mother was clearly mortified and apologized profusely, before quickly leaving the park. It was a very uncomfortable scene, and to me might seem completely unnecessary and irrational. But that woman is entitled to her opinion; an opinion shaped by her life experience and raising. I may not understand it, but I can respect it.
silly woman!!
This reminds me so much of the argument surrounding allowing female reporters in the locker room.
just because you disagree with a person's reservations about females (then) or homosexuals (now) in a locker room does not make those people or their opinions invalid or unreasonable. it's easy for those of us on this side of the locker room door, who shower alone at home or behind little curtains at the gym to say it's okay. Those men however must live with the changes, and they are entitled to their opinions or feelings, no matter how irrational you or I may feel they are.I was on a playground recently, when a white mother of a white child were feeding some ducks from a bag of bread they had brought with them. There was a young black kid around three years old standing near them and watching. The mother kindly told her daughter to and I quote: "share some with that little boy, I bet he'd like to help." The boy's mother, who was sitting near by ran to the other mom - outraged. She loudly and quite forcefully explained that no white person should call a black male child a "little boy" but rather a "little man" and "how stupid could you be?." The little girls mother was clearly mortified and apologized profusely, before quickly leaving the park. It was a very uncomfortable scene, and to me might seem completely unnecessary and irrational. But that woman is entitled to her opinion; an opinion shaped by her life experience and raising. I may not understand it, but I can respect it.
I've never said their opinions are invalid or unreasonable, I just don't see why it's such a big deal when college kids found a way to excel in similar circumstances and when military personnel have made it work for a few years now.If being in an NFL locker room shower with another man who is openly gay makes you or anyone else feel uncomfortable, that's perfectly fine with me. I'm just curious as to why it makes them uncomfortable, which no one has explained to me yet. It wouldn't bother me in the least and so I'm curious.
If being in an NFL locker room shower with another man who is openly gay makes you or anyone else feel uncomfortable, that's perfectly fine with me. I'm just curious as to why it makes them uncomfortable, which no one has explained to me yet. It wouldn't bother me in the least and so I'm curious.
Insecurity, perhaps?
If being in an NFL locker room shower with another man who is openly gay makes you or anyone else feel uncomfortable, that's perfectly fine with me. I'm just curious as to why it makes them uncomfortable, which no one has explained to me yet. It wouldn't bother me in the least and so I'm curious.
Insecurity, perhaps?
insecurity is an easy go to answer here, almost cliche as a comeback for people who express such misgivings. perhaps it is insecurity- but there are other insecurities that may be at play than their manhood or their suppressed sexuality as every one is so quick to say. perhaps there is just a social insecurity of being around someone so different ( in their eyes) in such a personal and exposed setting. I don't know how many of you have been in locker rooms, or an NFL locker room, but it is a home away from home for these guys. they are very unguarded, and real there, with their language behavior- everything. Perhaps they are insecure that they might say or do the wrong thing. I am sure most of us are slightly different people within the walls of our home and among our families than we are elsewhere. No one likes to feel they are being judged or must be careful with how they behave, especially in so private a setting. When family or friends stay for an extended time, it's always nice when they leave, because I know I am a free to stroll around in my undies or be less guarded with my speech- maybe that is the insecurity.Maybe there is no discernible reason- some people are uncomfortable around clowns for no reason at all. I actually can understand the objections to women reporters much more clearly than the gay team mate, and can agree with those concerns. I just think that name calling on either side is silly. And when folks taunt guys like Vilma, who have the fortitude to be upfront with their reservations, as being a closet gay who is afraid he'll pop a boner or worse a bigot, they are doing just as much to derail open and frank conversation as those who call Sam names.
If being in an NFL locker room shower with another man who is openly gay makes you or anyone else feel uncomfortable, that's perfectly fine with me. I'm just curious as to why it makes them uncomfortable, which no one has explained to me yet. It wouldn't bother me in the least and so I'm curious.
Insecurity, perhaps?
insecurity is an easy go to answer here, almost cliche as a comeback for people who express such misgivings. perhaps it is insecurity- but there are other insecurities that may be at play than their manhood or their suppressed sexuality as every one is so quick to say. perhaps there is just a social insecurity of being around someone so different ( in their eyes) in such a personal and exposed setting. I don't know how many of you have been in locker rooms, or an NFL locker room, but it is a home away from home for these guys. they are very unguarded, and real there, with their language behavior- everything. Perhaps they are insecure that they might say or do the wrong thing. I am sure most of us are slightly different people within the walls of our home and among our families than we are elsewhere. No one likes to feel they are being judged or must be careful with how they behave, especially in so private a setting. When family or friends stay for an extended time, it's always nice when they leave, because I know I am a free to stroll around in my undies or be less guarded with my speech- maybe that is the insecurity.Maybe there is no discernible reason- some people are uncomfortable around clowns for no reason at all. I actually can understand the objections to women reporters much more clearly than the gay team mate, and can agree with those concerns. I just think that name calling on either side is silly. And when folks taunt guys like Vilma, who have the fortitude to be upfront with their reservations, as being a closet gay who is afraid he'll pop a boner or worse a bigot, they are doing just as much to derail open and frank conversation as those who call Sam names.
Finally, someone with a good answer to my question. Thanks for providing it, I'll keep your words in mind.
I get it. Gay men are sexual attracted to other men. So to a straight guy, we think that it is the same as us showering with women....and we know that we'd be totally perving out and horny as hell even if those women were our respected coworkers. So we assume the same can be said for a gay man in shower full of athletic men. Is it true? I don't know. But why can't the showers just have stalls with doors so everyone can shower with privacy and then none of it matters? I fully expect more gay players to start coming out now....so why not be proactive and install shower privacy stalls now and avoid the entire issue?
I get it. Gay men are sexual attracted to other men. So to a straight guy, we think that it is the same as us showering with women....and we know that we'd be totally perving out and horny as hell even if those women were our respected coworkers. So we assume the same can be said for a gay man in shower full of athletic men. Is it true? I don't know. But why can't the showers just have stalls with doors so everyone can shower with privacy and then none of it matters? I fully expect more gay players to start coming out now....so why not be proactive and install shower privacy stalls now and avoid the entire issue?
Dude, stop interrupting the reactionary drama-filled rage with all your logic.Debbie Downer >:(
If being in an NFL locker room shower with another man who is openly gay makes you or anyone else feel uncomfortable, that's perfectly fine with me. I'm just curious as to why it makes them uncomfortable, which no one has explained to me yet. It wouldn't bother me in the least and so I'm curious.
Insecurity, perhaps?
insecurity is an easy go to answer here, almost cliche as a comeback for people who express such misgivings. perhaps it is insecurity- but there are other insecurities that may be at play than their manhood or their suppressed sexuality as every one is so quick to say. perhaps there is just a social insecurity of being around someone so different ( in their eyes) in such a personal and exposed setting. I don't know how many of you have been in locker rooms, or an NFL locker room, but it is a home away from home for these guys. they are very unguarded, and real there, with their language behavior- everything. Perhaps they are insecure that they might say or do the wrong thing. I am sure most of us are slightly different people within the walls of our home and among our families than we are elsewhere. No one likes to feel they are being judged or must be careful with how they behave, especially in so private a setting. When family or friends stay for an extended time, it's always nice when they leave, because I know I am a free to stroll around in my undies or be less guarded with my speech- maybe that is the insecurity.Maybe there is no discernible reason- some people are uncomfortable around clowns for no reason at all. I actually can understand the objections to women reporters much more clearly than the gay team mate, and can agree with those concerns. I just think that name calling on either side is silly. And when folks taunt guys like Vilma, who have the fortitude to be upfront with their reservations, as being a closet gay who is afraid he'll pop a boner or worse a bigot, they are doing just as much to derail open and frank conversation as those who call Sam names.
Finally, someone with a good answer to my question. Thanks for providing it, I'll keep your words in mind.
thanks, it's nice to hear something in the way of honest dialogue about this. in another thread, I was called a "bigot" and " morally gutless" because I had the audacity to say that GM will, and should, have to weigh Sam's coming out and the ensuing press when evaluating his draft status and his fit in a locker room. no amount of logic or reason could move them from their knee jerk reaction of labeling anything they felt was remotely different from their opinion or threatened their black and white world of right and wrong - as hateful. Honest dialogue and open discussion is the only way to grow more tolerant and understanding. Genuine tolerance and acceptance will not come by legislative fiat or social brow beating and name calling, but from honest give and take of opinion, experience and time. Oppressing dissenting opinions or points of view with shame or ostracizing won't lead to changing hearts or minds, just resentment. Too many posters here and people everywhere react to opinions with rabid fervor fueled, I believe, more by a desire to prove their greatness and purity of heart than by a desire to improve the world and create change.
