I have my own personal spiritual beliefs, and I am at peace....it just bothers me to no end when I see people like Escobar try to belittle gay people by labeling them sinners, when he himself lives his life based on a fairy tale. Live and let live. Is that in the bible? It should be.
Oh, I wasn't coming down on you, JD. As a life long Christian who tries to love everyone equally, it pains me to no end when I see people use the Word as a weapon to damage others.
Who am I damaging by defending those who don't want to be forced to shower with gay men? Are you disagreeing that homosexuality is a sin?
Don't come at me with this bull**CENSORED**. I promise you I know the bible a million times better than you.
Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law. The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,” and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law — Romans 13:8-10
Go to bed. Don't come back.
There's just one small issue with this. You're taking my defense of straight men in a locker room as hate for gay men in a locker room. You're equating "love" with "acceptance of everything regardless of what it is". That's new age "progressive" nonsense and it has no place in Christianity. You're implying that God is a liberal who hates straight men for not wanting to shower with gay men, because that's not "love". For someone with such profound knowledge of the Bible, you sure have a lot of things twisted. Go figure. Any other lessons for me tonight?
Just one. A man is born and single-handedly turns 1000 years of conservative, hateful, bigoted tradition on its head and creates a worldwide religion based on love, acceptance and harmony and dipsh!ts like you don't think he was liberal or progressive.
So in other words, Jesus would be completely okay with gay marriage, and the gay lifestyle in general. Because that's "love", right? Confirm this is what you're saying so I can throw you into the fraud category that Vin is in when it comes to Christianity.
I don't care if you throw me into any categories. You're trying to trap me with something from Romans 1 or Galatians or something else from Paul or Timothy's letters. Tell you what, why don't you go start a thread about it down in the Cove so I can ignore it properly.To answer your question: would Jesus be completely okay with gay marriage? Of course he would. Jesus doesn't care about marriage as it's an entirely human invention that God doesn't care about. The "sacrament" of marriage was invented in about 900 by the Catholic church and didn't exist before then as a religious entity. And in fact, officially, marriage as a truly "religious" entity wasn't formally declared by Catholics until 1908 with the Ne Temere decree.But go ahead and pull something out of your ass, just don't do it here. This is a football board and I won't be replying to anything else here on this topic.
Some more for you:Ephesians 5:11Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them. James 4:4You adulterous people! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God. Titus 2:11-12For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people, training us to renounce ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright, and godly lives in the present age.Sure sounds like your "love" argument is sinking fast. These verse were designed specifically for people like you. People who want to put a worldly spin on Christianity to make it more to your liking. Well, sorry, but that's now how it works. You can't change Christianity any more than you can change your own race. If you don't like it, tough, but you should probably stop twisting God's words.Your thoughts on gay marriage really show how flawed your interpretation of the Bible really is. God hates homosexuality, the sin, yet he's perfectly fine with two gay marriage? Tell me you're joking. You might be the most uneducated Christian "scholar" I've ever encountered.
If heaven is full of people like you, I don't want to go anyway. Night night.
I have my own personal spiritual beliefs, and I am at peace....it just bothers me to no end when I see people like Escobar try to belittle gay people by labeling them sinners, when he himself lives his life based on a fairy tale. Live and let live. Is that in the bible? It should be.
Oh, I wasn't coming down on you, JD. As a life long Christian who tries to love everyone equally, it pains me to no end when I see people use the Word as a weapon to damage others.
Who am I damaging by defending those who don't want to be forced to shower with gay men? Are you disagreeing that homosexuality is a sin?
Don't come at me with this bull**CENSORED**. I promise you I know the bible a million times better than you.
Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law. The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,” and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law — Romans 13:8-10
Go to bed. Don't come back.
There's just one small issue with this. You're taking my defense of straight men in a locker room as hate for gay men in a locker room. You're equating "love" with "acceptance of everything regardless of what it is". That's new age "progressive" nonsense and it has no place in Christianity. You're implying that God is a liberal who hates straight men for not wanting to shower with gay men, because that's not "love". For someone with such profound knowledge of the Bible, you sure have a lot of things twisted. Go figure. Any other lessons for me tonight?
Just one. A man is born and single-handedly turns 1000 years of conservative, hateful, bigoted tradition on its head and creates a worldwide religion based on love, acceptance and harmony and dipsh!ts like you don't think he was liberal or progressive.
So in other words, Jesus would be completely okay with gay marriage, and the gay lifestyle in general. Because that's "love", right? Confirm this is what you're saying so I can throw you into the fraud category that Vin is in when it comes to Christianity.
I don't care if you throw me into any categories. You're trying to trap me with something from Romans 1 or Galatians or something else from Paul or Timothy's letters. Tell you what, why don't you go start a thread about it down in the Cove so I can ignore it properly.To answer your question: would Jesus be completely okay with gay marriage? Of course he would. Jesus doesn't care about marriage as it's an entirely human invention that God doesn't care about. The "sacrament" of marriage was invented in about 900 by the Catholic church and didn't exist before then as a religious entity. And in fact, officially, marriage as a truly "religious" entity wasn't formally declared by Catholics until 1908 with the Ne Temere decree.But go ahead and pull something out of your ass, just don't do it here. This is a football board and I won't be replying to anything else here on this topic.
Some more for you:Ephesians 5:11Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them. James 4:4You adulterous people! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God. Titus 2:11-12For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people, training us to renounce ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright, and godly lives in the present age.Sure sounds like your "love" argument is sinking fast. These verse were designed specifically for people like you. People who want to put a worldly spin on Christianity to make it more to your liking. Well, sorry, but that's now how it works. You can't change Christianity any more than you can change your own race. If you don't like it, tough, but you should probably stop twisting God's words.Your thoughts on gay marriage really show how flawed your interpretation of the Bible really is. God hates homosexuality, the sin, yet he's perfectly fine with two gay marriage? Tell me you're joking. You might be the most uneducated Christian "scholar" I've ever encountered.
If heaven is full of people like you, I don't want to go anyway. Night night.
What, no verses to contradict what I'm saying? You thought your half ass attempt to post a scripture with the word "love" in it would suffice? The fact is, you're doing exactly what the Bible DEMANDS you not do, and you're attempting to do it in the name of GOD. You should think that over, it's not a small offense. Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them.This is EXACTLY what you're doing, taking part in unfruitful works of darkness, instead of exposing them. Argue against this if you wish, but you're arguing with God, not me. Sounds like you hope God Himself isn't in Heaven, or you won't want to go there. You seem to have a tough time with the fact that Christianity, God, has set boundries, rules. You let the world convince you that God is wrong, man is right. That mindset shines through in everything you write. If you truly are a Christian, this should concern you.
Escobar, I'm just not interested in doing this with you here or anywhere else. I don't care if you think I qualify in your eyes. Ephesians probably wasn't even written by Paul, so it's not a good passage to concentrate on. Plus, Ephesians 5:1-2 is the famous lines about following God and walking with as much love for everyone as Christ did, to the extent that he gave up his life in sacrifice. It's a really weak chapter to use in an argument like this.I'm really going to bed this time, I have to work in the morning, but as a fellow human being I want you to know how much I love you and how much I care about you. I hope that you can find a way to let go of your hate and your judgmental ways because they will destroy you and the people around you.Let me deal with my relationship with God and let everyone else do the same. Jesus loved all of us so much that he died for us, even all the people who are homosexual. That's the only part of the entire Bible that matters, and we've been charged with loving everyone around us to that same level. As Christians, that's our duty, our calling. That's love as Christ loved and, for me, it's the only part of the Bible that really matters. If I'm wrong, it's between me and God.Goodnight.
Anybody else find it funny that people were completely unable to answer my question? I'll ask one last time. To the people that dislike homosexuality can you tell me in what way has it ruined your life personally? You being annoyed by it doesn't count.
Who has made the claim that homosexuality has ruined their life? The reason nobody is answering this question is because it's ridiculous. Nobody is making this claim.
If it hasn't ruined your life then what is the problem with it?
So by that theory you should have no issue with a complete stranger punching you in the mouth for no reason, it might hurt but it wouldn't ruin your life.
Escobar, I'm just not interested in doing this with you here or anywhere else. I don't care if you think I qualify in your eyes. Ephesians probably wasn't even written by Paul, so it's not a good passage to concentrate on. Plus, Ephesians 5:1-2 is the famous lines about following God and walking with as much love for everyone as Christ did, to the extent that he gave up his life in sacrifice. It's a really weak chapter to use in an argument like this.I'm really going to bed this time, I have to work in the morning, but as a fellow human being I want you to know how much I love you and how much I care about you. I hope that you can find a way to let go of your hate and your judgmental ways because they will destroy you and the people around you.Let me deal with my relationship with God and let everyone else do the same. Jesus loved all of us so much that he died for us, even all the people who are homosexual. That's the only part of the entire Bible that matters, and we've been charged with loving everyone around us to that same level. As Christians, that's our duty, our calling. That's love as Christ loved and, for me, it's the only part of the Bible that really matters. If I'm wrong, it's between me and God.Goodnight.
Romans 16:17I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them.2 Peter 2:1-3But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction. And many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of truth will be blasphemed. And in their greed they will exploit you with false words. Their condemnation from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep. Goodnight.
Anybody else find it funny that people were completely unable to answer my question? I'll ask one last time. To the people that dislike homosexuality can you tell me in what way has it ruined your life personally? You being annoyed by it doesn't count.
Who has made the claim that homosexuality has ruined their life? The reason nobody is answering this question is because it's ridiculous. Nobody is making this claim.
If it hasn't ruined your life then what is the problem with it?
So by that theory you should have no issue with a complete stranger punching you in the mouth for no reason, it might hurt but it wouldn't ruin your life.
I love the dumb stuff people equate being gay too. Being gay = random stranger punches you in the face. You gay bashers will say anything.
You didn't learn from your previous mistake, did you? He's not equating that to being gay, what don't you get about this? You made a stupid claim and people are showing you just how stupid it was. There are countless examples someone can give of things they don't agree with that "don't ruin their lives". In your world if someone isn't in favor of homosexuality, they have a problem. That isn't true and never will be. You need to accept that.
You didn't learn from your previous mistake, did you? He's not equating that to being gay, what don't you get about this? You made a stupid claim and people are showing you just how stupid it was. There are countless examples someone can give of things they don't agree with that "don't ruin their lives". In your world if someone isn't in favor of homosexuality, they have a problem. That isn't true and never will be. You need to accept that.
I'm stupid? Aren't you the one who believes in a book that wasn't even written by the man you so worship? You're the idiot here, not me.
Lol. Escobar if you were born in Iran or Iraq you'd be the same hardheaded jackass, but quoting the Islamic book instead.
Lol. Escobar if you were born in Iran or Iraq you'd be the same hardheaded jackass, but quoting the Islamic book instead.
But... But... But... That's not possible!!!... It's funny because you are exactly right. He will of course deny it, but clearly he loves to worship a book written by men not god over 2000 years ago. Rather than use logic of today. I should go write a book and claim god told me to write it. Maybe then people will follow my beliefs instead of thinking for themselves.
Lol. Escobar if you were born in Iran or Iraq you'd be the same hardheaded jackass, but quoting the Islamic book instead.
But... But... But... That's not possible!!!... It's funny because you are exactly right. He will of course deny it, but clearly he loves to worship a book written by men not god over 2000 years ago. Rather than use logic of today. I should go write a book and claim god told me to write it. Maybe then people will follow my beliefs instead of thinking for themselves.
I've thought about that. If I write something and say God told me to write it, how would they ever know I was lying or not? I mean, it's not like anyone would ever LIE about voices in their head would they?
God said this and god said that. Did god actually write the bible himself or was it men such as ourselves?
who the hell knows??
God said this and god said that. Did god actually write the bible himself or was it men such as ourselves?
who the hell knows??
Exactly...
You hate Christianity because you hate accountability.
No. I hate Christianity because organized religion is complete bullsh!t and it causes much more harm than good. I already know the difference between right and wrong and I don't need to fear a god or hell to make the right decisions in life. I choose to believe in myself and the people around me instead of pretending some mythical being is controlling everything. You think you can do anything you want and then repent and be forgiven....but I lack accountability? Think again.
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Lol. Escobar if you were born in Iran or Iraq you'd be the same hardheaded jackass, but quoting the Islamic book instead.
But... But... But... That's not possible!!!... It's funny because you are exactly right. He will of course deny it, but clearly he loves to worship a book written by men not god over 2000 years ago. Rather than use logic of today. I should go write a book and claim god told me to write it. Maybe then people will follow my beliefs instead of thinking for themselves.
I've thought about that. If I write something and say God told me to write it, how would they ever know I was lying or not? I mean, it's not like anyone would ever LIE about voices in their head would they?
LOL! Truthfully I am agnostic. Atheist are freaking arrogant scumbags that think they know everything and if you don't think their way you're a massive moron. On the other hand you have people that dedicate their life to a book written over 2000 years ago at least. The world is a completely difference place now than it was back then. It's a book written by men and men are far from perfect. The bible just seems like their (people that wrote the bible) personal morals, theories, and stories rather than Gods rules, laws, and morals.
