I apologize gentlemen. What was this thread about? You two were simply expressing your homophobia in general? My bad. As long as you agree that your (or anyone else's) homophobia should not negatively impact Michael Sam's ability to pursue a career in the National Football League we're all good. In that case your opinion is harmlessly distasteful.
"I think that he would not be accepted as much as we think he would be accepted," Vilma added. "I don't want people to just naturally assume, like, 'Oh, we're all homophobic.' That's really not the case. Imagine if he's the guy next to me and, you know, I get dressed, naked, taking a shower, the whole nine, and it just so happens he looks at me. How am I supposed to respond?"that's what this thread is about. We're saying that if we were Vilma in that hypothetical, it would make us uncomfortable. You're saying that makes us homophobic. It's really a pretty simple thread to follow.
Dude, it absolutely does make you homophobic. By the very definition of the word. Homophobia in a vacuum is much less of a problem for me when it is not directly negatively impacting the freedom of a homosexual. Hell, I would very likely be uncomfortable showering nude with a gay man. I have some level of homophobia still, unquestionably. What I do not believe is acceptable is taking my opinion or feeling and degrade someone else tangibly (not name calling) because of it.
He has a bit of a point. Otherwise why don't we have coed showers and locker rooms?
Sexual assault.Although I don't feel comfortable showering with anyone who is not my girlfriend.
I agree with Vilma, Sam likes men, therefore he is attracted to penis. What's the difference if a straight man, who is attracted to vagina and female breast showers with a bunch of women? Would those women appreciate it or enjoy that? The NFL now needs to seriously consider individual showers.
Booger ?@lsubooger 6mwith the #bucs a story about a player we highly suspected was gay how it changed how we acted in the lockerrom
His story was hilarious
...and you realize that my not feeling comfortable showering with gays doesn't effect gay's rights in any way whatsoever correct. I'm not telling you don't have the right to shower , I'm telling you I don't want to do it with you.
You (among others) are using it as an asinine rational not to draft Michael Sam. Do I need to further clarify the idiocy of your statement?
LOL , No I'm not you idiot . I'd love to draft Micheal Sam in round 4. Only reason I wouldn't want him sooner is because he's a OLB / DE tweener , not because he's gay. I simply don't want the guy anywhere near me in the shower . If a gay guy can't respect the personal boundries of his Hetero teammates , or understand why that might make a hetero man uncomfortable , then he is the one who needs to check himself. Judging by how his old teammates like him , I'm guessing he does respect boundries.
For anyone to say that it should not or could not cause issues ignores reality.
I The real question has to be at this point, is Vilma really stupid enough to think that a gay man who is his teammate would actually try some gay stuff on him in the locker room? Is he that stupid?
If Scarlett Johansson walks into the shower and starts washing her boobies and butt, you are going to get a hard on. You won't be able to stop it or hide it.If one of your team mates fancies you and gets a hard on as you start washing your meat and 2 veg, just what kind of impact is that going to have?Regardless of how much you agree, or the reasons behind it, it is a valid point that gay men in the locker room creates issues that are currently not there. At least not transparently.
It's called self control. Once you get into your 20s, math class hard ons go away.
...and you realize that my not feeling comfortable showering with gays doesn't effect gay's rights in any way whatsoever correct. I'm not telling you don't have the right to shower , I'm telling you I don't want to do it with you.
You (among others) are using it as an asinine rational not to draft Michael Sam. Do I need to further clarify the idiocy of your statement?
LOL , No I'm not you idiot . I'd love to draft Micheal Sam in round 4. Only reason I wouldn't want him sooner is because he's a OLB / DE tweener , not because he's gay. I simply don't want the guy anywhere near me in the shower . If a gay guy can't respect the personal boundries of his Hetero teammates , or understand why that might make a hetero man uncomfortable , then he is the one who needs to check himself. Judging by how his old teammates like him , I'm guessing he does respect boundries.
But do you want straight men near you in the shower?
I apologize gentlemen. What was this thread about? You two were simply expressing your homophobia in general? My bad. As long as you agree that your (or anyone else's) homophobia should not negatively impact Michael Sam's ability to pursue a career in the National Football League we're all good. In that case your opinion is harmlessly distasteful.
"I think that he would not be accepted as much as we think he would be accepted," Vilma added. "I don't want people to just naturally assume, like, 'Oh, we're all homophobic.' That's really not the case. Imagine if he's the guy next to me and, you know, I get dressed, naked, taking a shower, the whole nine, and it just so happens he looks at me. How am I supposed to respond?"that's what this thread is about. We're saying that if we were Vilma in that hypothetical, it would make us uncomfortable. You're saying that makes us homophobic. It's really a pretty simple thread to follow.
Dude, it absolutely does make you homophobic. By the very definition of the word. Homophobia in a vacuum is much less of a problem for me when it is not directly negatively impacting the freedom of a homosexual. Hell, I would very likely be uncomfortable showering nude with a gay man. I have some level of homophobia still, unquestionably. What I do not believe is acceptable is taking my opinion or feeling and degrade someone else tangibly (not name calling) because of it.
What if you don't want to shower with gay, straight, bi or ANY kind of man? Are you homophobic or what?
He has a bit of a point. Otherwise why don't we have coed showers and locker rooms?
Sexual assault.Although I don't feel comfortable showering with anyone who is not my girlfriend.
Sexual Assault never happens in all men's showers though....that phrase" don't drop the soap" refers to nothing. Great Argument.Fact is Micheal Sam is 6'2 and 260 pounds of solid muscle. I'm willing to bet he could rape everyone on this board if he really wanted to , lol.
I agree with Lord Revis. I'm uncomfortable showering with anyone that's not his girlfriend.
What if you don't want to shower with gay, straight, bi or ANY kind of man? Are you homophobic or what?
I would personally tab that as normal, but I don't understand the culture of the NFL locker room.
...and you realize that my not feeling comfortable showering with gays doesn't effect gay's rights in any way whatsoever correct. I'm not telling you don't have the right to shower , I'm telling you I don't want to do it with you.
You (among others) are using it as an asinine rational not to draft Michael Sam. Do I need to further clarify the idiocy of your statement?
LOL , No I'm not you idiot . I'd love to draft Micheal Sam in round 4. Only reason I wouldn't want him sooner is because he's a OLB / DE tweener , not because he's gay. I simply don't want the guy anywhere near me in the shower . If a gay guy can't respect the personal boundries of his Hetero teammates , or understand why that might make a hetero man uncomfortable , then he is the one who needs to check himself. Judging by how his old teammates like him , I'm guessing he does respect boundries.
But do you want straight men near you in the shower?
I prefer to shower alone , but no , a shower with straight men doesn't bother me nearly as much because I know they have as little interest in my naked body as I have in there's. No fear of sexual thoughts.Is all of this really so hard for you to understand , Beavis ???
I apologize gentlemen. What was this thread about? You two were simply expressing your homophobia in general? My bad. As long as you agree that your (or anyone else's) homophobia should not negatively impact Michael Sam's ability to pursue a career in the National Football League we're all good. In that case your opinion is harmlessly distasteful.
"I think that he would not be accepted as much as we think he would be accepted," Vilma added. "I don't want people to just naturally assume, like, 'Oh, we're all homophobic.' That's really not the case. Imagine if he's the guy next to me and, you know, I get dressed, naked, taking a shower, the whole nine, and it just so happens he looks at me. How am I supposed to respond?"that's what this thread is about. We're saying that if we were Vilma in that hypothetical, it would make us uncomfortable. You're saying that makes us homophobic. It's really a pretty simple thread to follow.
Dude, it absolutely does make you homophobic. By the very definition of the word. Homophobia in a vacuum is much less of a problem for me when it is not directly negatively impacting the freedom of a homosexual. Hell, I would very likely be uncomfortable showering nude with a gay man. I have some level of homophobia still, unquestionably. What I do not believe is acceptable is taking my opinion or feeling and degrade someone else tangibly (not name calling) because of it.
I would feel very uncomfortable showering with my family too, does that make me a family-phobic? Homophobia isn't that general of a term but many try to seem like it is.
I apologize gentlemen. What was this thread about? You two were simply expressing your homophobia in general? My bad. As long as you agree that your (or anyone else's) homophobia should not negatively impact Michael Sam's ability to pursue a career in the National Football League we're all good. In that case your opinion is harmlessly distasteful.
"I think that he would not be accepted as much as we think he would be accepted," Vilma added. "I don't want people to just naturally assume, like, 'Oh, we're all homophobic.' That's really not the case. Imagine if he's the guy next to me and, you know, I get dressed, naked, taking a shower, the whole nine, and it just so happens he looks at me. How am I supposed to respond?"that's what this thread is about. We're saying that if we were Vilma in that hypothetical, it would make us uncomfortable. You're saying that makes us homophobic. It's really a pretty simple thread to follow.
Dude, it absolutely does make you homophobic. By the very definition of the word. Homophobia in a vacuum is much less of a problem for me when it is not directly negatively impacting the freedom of a homosexual. Hell, I would very likely be uncomfortable showering nude with a gay man. I have some level of homophobia still, unquestionably. What I do not believe is acceptable is taking my opinion or feeling and degrade someone else tangibly (not name calling) because of it.
I would feel very uncomfortable showering with my family too, does that make me a family-phobic? Homophobia isn't that general of a term but many try to seem like it is.
LOL Exactly . This is why I'm going to go out this weekend and ask random women to shower with me. If they say no I can accuse them of being Heterophobic , correct ??
Dolorous is just afraid that if he caught a gay man looking at his junk, he'd get hard and ask the gay guy to help him out.
