🤣 🤣 🤣 Totally get why some of the old/great posters on here left.Perfect example of the lunacy of the Red Board
Discussion is move MLB to DE
In that discussion JC says this " you're trying to lecture me but don't even know how this defense uses personnel" and then follows iot up with "You know the Bucs moved Lavonte David from OLB to ILB right?
and of course . . JC will just keep burning it all down
JC -- "Don't say DE. You know the DE's in this system are guys like Gholston, Suh, Hicks, Hall."
LMAO
And, because you aren't capable, you continue to add zero value to the discussion.
LOL. When Buggsy (aka Rand PPPaul) is the one calling out semantics . . .
@biggs3535 Hey Rand PPPaul . . my position on the topic "Serious question about moving Devin White to Edge" is the same as Detrimental and the same its seems as yours.
Take your crying somewhere else.
There's no point in doing anything other than mocking guys like you and JC5100 because you're all just here as UNserious trolls. JC even took the opportunity -- AS I POINTED OUT -- to call detrimental version of "DUMB" ( you dont under stand the defensive system) . . AND THENH FOLLOW IT UP WITH SOMETHIGN REALLY dumb (they moved LVD)
as you know THAT IS YOUR SIGNATURE MOVE
You know the Bucs moved Lavonte David from OLB to ILB right?
The responsibility of OLB to ILB isn't as different as MLB to DE. Plus, Lavonte David is next-level mentally on the football field. Devin White isn't.
For the record, I posed the question about moving White from MLB to full-time pass rusher as well. I agree it's worth trying out on the practice field, but it's not the easy transition you're making it out to be. Maybe he can, maybe he can't.
Don't say DE. You know the DE's in this system are guys like Gholston, Suh, Hicks, Hall. You know I'm talking about walking him out, keeping him stood up and letting him use his speed to play in space.
Full-time pass rusher on the LOS. We're playing semantics. He would be moving from and off-the-ball MLB to playing on the LOS as a stand-up pass-rusher, going against OT's one-on-one the majority of the time. It's a completely different position. Maybe he could do it, but - again - it's not the simple transition you are making it out to be. It's nothing like moving David from a 4-3 OLB to a 3-4 ILB. Those responsibilities aren't that different at all, and with a really smart player in David - the transition was seamless.
Couple things.
1. We are playing semantics because you labeled the move as "MLB to DE" when you know damn well it's MLB to OLB.
2. I didn't say full time pass rusher. One of his strengths is tracking down ball carriers between the hash and sideline. I said in the original post he can play curl flat and man.
3. I never said it was simple. But after 4 years he's clueless at MLB and we're down bad at Edge. Something has to change or we have no chance.
4. I brought up the David example because some idiot made it same like you can never change a players position. There's countless other examples within the Bucs of players moving around. Marpet played center, Ronde played FS, they even tried to moving Jermaine Phillips to LB. But god forbid our bust MLB, who is only good at blitzing and tracking on the sideline, move 6 feet over so he can blitz and play hash to sideline.
I brought up the David example because some idiot made it same like you can never change a players position.
Buggsy lives
That is both a lie ( thats why JC says "made it seem [sic] like") and a troll
False. White ain't playing here EDGE/OLB let it go.well he'd be even worse at DE. Mauled on run plays and has zero pass rush moves so..Yeah I think Parsons is like 3" taller and 10-15 pounds heavier. Plus he has played DE since HS days so its a natural fit for him full time.I really wish the Bucs tried to deploy White like Parsons. Bowles insists he's a LB though and his contract is expiring soon. After last year, there's now way you can say he deserves an extension.
This would be interesting but man Parsons is a freak. He must be several inches taller than White and I think faster even.
You know what's not a nature fit for Devin White? Inside Linebacker
You play him at his best position which is LB in which he's shown spurts of success in until its time to replace him.
You're trying to lecture me but don't even know how this defense uses personnel.
Imagine being a NFL coach moving a players position to one he's never played before at ANY level HS, college or NFL. Imagine thinking because someone can run through gaps untouched to get to the QB by the product of his DL he'd be able to win on the edge 1v1. Couldn't be me
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You know the Bucs moved Lavonte David from OLB to ILB right?
Just to make it clear that JC is now in backpedal
False. White ain't playing here EDGE/OLB let it go.well he'd be even worse at DE. Mauled on run plays and has zero pass rush moves so..Yeah I think Parsons is like 3" taller and 10-15 pounds heavier. Plus he has played DE since HS days so its a natural fit for him full time.I really wish the Bucs tried to deploy White like Parsons. Bowles insists he's a LB though and his contract is expiring soon. After last year, there's now way you can say he deserves an extension.
This would be interesting but man Parsons is a freak. He must be several inches taller than White and I think faster even.
You know what's not a nature fit for Devin White? Inside Linebacker
You play him at his best position which is LB in which he's shown spurts of success in until its time to replace him.
You're trying to lecture me but don't even know how this defense uses personnel.
Imagine being a NFL coach moving a players position to one he's never played before at ANY level HS, college or NFL. Imagine thinking because someone can run through gaps untouched to get to the QB by the product of his DL he'd be able to win on the edge 1v1. Couldn't be me
- Thread closed
You know the Bucs moved Lavonte David from OLB to ILB right?
Just to make it clear that JC is now in backpedal
As stated on page 1, Dallas moved Parson from ILB to OLB. Is that better for you? And if White can be just half as productive as Parsons and we get an average ILB to replace White then the defense will be significantly better. Does that help your low IQ thinking understand the move?
If we're going to move him, it needs to be off the team.
1. We are playing semantics because you labeled the move as "MLB to DE" when you know damn well it's MLB to OLB.
The difference between a 4-3 DE and 3-4 OLB is negligible. A 3-4 OLB is a stand-up full-time pass-rusher.
2. I didn't say full time pass rusher. One of his strengths is tracking down ball carriers between the hash and sideline. I said in the original post he can play curl flat and man.
You're advocating he play Edge - the same position as Shaq Barrett, JPP, Anthony Nelson, etc.. All of those guys are playing against OL 90+% of the time. He's not going to be playing curl flat and man very often at that position.
3. I never said it was simple. But after 4 years he's clueless at MLB and we're down bad at Edge. Something has to change or we have no chance.
Agreed. But he may actually be a bigger liability at Edge if he can't hold up at the POA. That's what Detrimental and I are talking about. Maybe he could do it, and I actually thing he could because he's a freak athlete. But the possibility that he couldn't does exist. You should acknowledge that point.
4. I brought up the David example because some idiot made it same like you can never change a players position. There's countless other examples within the Bucs of players moving around. Marpet played center, Ronde played FS, they even tried to moving Jermaine Phillips to LB. But god forbid our bust MLB, who is only good at blitzing and tracking on the sideline, move 6 feet over so he can blitz and play hash to sideline.
Again, Marpet moving along the iOL isn't a big deal. Every team in the NFL have swing interior offensive linemen. Ronde, another extremely smart player, going from CB to FS is nothing for a player like Ronde. Even moving Phillips from S to LB isn't the same kind of responsibility jump that MLB to Edge is. I'm pretty sure you know this. Not why you are acting as if these position changes are equal.
False. White ain't playing here EDGE/OLB let it go.well he'd be even worse at DE. Mauled on run plays and has zero pass rush moves so..Yeah I think Parsons is like 3" taller and 10-15 pounds heavier. Plus he has played DE since HS days so its a natural fit for him full time.I really wish the Bucs tried to deploy White like Parsons. Bowles insists he's a LB though and his contract is expiring soon. After last year, there's now way you can say he deserves an extension.
This would be interesting but man Parsons is a freak. He must be several inches taller than White and I think faster even.
You know what's not a nature fit for Devin White? Inside Linebacker
You play him at his best position which is LB in which he's shown spurts of success in until its time to replace him.
You're trying to lecture me but don't even know how this defense uses personnel.
Imagine being a NFL coach moving a players position to one he's never played before at ANY level HS, college or NFL. Imagine thinking because someone can run through gaps untouched to get to the QB by the product of his DL he'd be able to win on the edge 1v1. Couldn't be me
- Thread closed
You know the Bucs moved Lavonte David from OLB to ILB right?
Just to make it clear that JC is now in backpedal
As stated on page 1, Dallas moved Parson from ILB to OLB. Is that better for you? And if White can be just half as productive as Parsons and we get an average ILB to replace White then the defense will be significantly better. Does that help your low IQ thinking understand the move?
JC . . to the part in BOLD . .. you are the one having trouble conveying your thoughts in words?
(you're not actually, you're just another thin-skinned ninny posting complete BS under the hilarious notion that you're somehow a GM lmao. Detrimental accurately responded with the difference that you're just now circling back to AGAIN. . as Buggsy makes the same point to you AGAIN)
Haason Reddick has changed positions plenty of times. He's only 6'1. 16 sacks in regular season, another 3.5 in the playoffs. Let me guess, doesn't count and I'm an idiot for wanting to have signed him. Only had a $3.7M cap number.
Moving White to OLB is so obvious. He can't diagnose pass concepts fast enough but he can get to the QB. You guys will just argue any argument I make for the hell of it. Someone bring up that Orlando Brown thread again.
White is a great athlete but in terms of pass rushing his "signature" sack is basically a delayed rush up the middle. Even playing traditional LB his highlights are usually him in zone tackling an underneath pass or him busting through an opening in the line to tackle for a loss. He is a downhill fast guy, not a one on one rushing technician. This is Arians on White pass rushing through holes ON THE BLITZ:
“It’s one thing to blitz, it’s another thing to blitz tentatively,” Arians said. “He does not blitz tentatively anymore. He’s a force when he’s coming, but he also knows when that [running] back might be chipping or leaking out. And that hurt him in the past. Now he knows exactly when he can go. He’s matured into one heck of a player.”
Arians also added the White has done a much better job of finding creases to get through.
You can also find Arians talking about the idea of White rushing on the edge and saying he needs to develop a counter etc.
It matters that Parsons is longer, faster and has played DE. It also matters that WHITE is basically a downhill guy
Haason Reddick has changed positions plenty of times. He's only 6'1. 16 sacks in regular season, another 3.5 in the playoffs. Let me guess, doesn't count and I'm an idiot for wanting to have signed him. Only had a $3.7M cap number.
Moving White to OLB is so obvious. He can't diagnose pass concepts fast enough but he can get to the QB. You guys will just argue any argument I make for the hell of it. Someone bring up that Orlando Brown thread again.
LOL
White is a great athlete but in terms of pass rushing his "signature" sack is basically a delayed rush up the middle. Even playing traditional LB his highlights are usually him in zone tackling an underneath pass or him busting through an opening in the line to tackle for a loss. He is a downhill fast guy, not a one on one rushing technician. This is Arians on White pass rushing through holes ON THE BLITZ:
“It’s one thing to blitz, it’s another thing to blitz tentatively,” Arians said. “He does not blitz tentatively anymore. He’s a force when he’s coming, but he also knows when that [running] back might be chipping or leaking out. And that hurt him in the past. Now he knows exactly when he can go. He’s matured into one heck of a player.”
Arians also added the White has done a much better job of finding creases to get through.
You can also find Arians talking about the idea of White rushing on the edge and saying he needs to develop a counter etc.
It matters that Parsons is longer, faster and has played DE. It also matters that WHITE is basically a downhill guy
It also matters that Devin White can not play MLB because he's that bad.
White is a great athlete but in terms of pass rushing his "signature" sack is basically a delayed rush up the middle. Even playing traditional LB his highlights are usually him in zone tackling an underneath pass or him busting through an opening in the line to tackle for a loss. He is a downhill fast guy, not a one on one rushing technician. This is Arians on White pass rushing through holes ON THE BLITZ:
“It’s one thing to blitz, it’s another thing to blitz tentatively,” Arians said. “He does not blitz tentatively anymore. He’s a force when he’s coming, but he also knows when that [running] back might be chipping or leaking out. And that hurt him in the past. Now he knows exactly when he can go. He’s matured into one heck of a player.”
Arians also added the White has done a much better job of finding creases to get through.
You can also find Arians talking about the idea of White rushing on the edge and saying he needs to develop a counter etc.
It matters that Parsons is longer, faster and has played DE. It also matters that WHITE is basically a downhill guy
It also matters that Devin White can not play MLB because he's that bad.
This post (IN BOLD) is the reason you're so whack. "Can not play MLB" does NOT equal "can play DE" anymore than "David moved LB roles" equates to "MLB becomes DE."
Its whack because you're now literally CRYING ("you guys will just argue any argument I make for the hell of it."), but only AFTER calling other people idiots (Does that help your low IQ thinking understand the move?) when all along you are the one pushing the illogical point . . with arguments like "they moved LVD"