Wilson did not turn the ball over in the playoffs
He didn't do much of anything else either . In the 1st playoff game he only threw for 103 yards and 0 TD.in the 2nd playoff game he only threw for 215 yards and 1 TD.SO you are basically just telling us he played the Trent Dilfer caretaker role ....congrats to him. ::)
No, Dilfer would have had a couple of interceptions thrown in. Fact is, we (the Bucs) don't have a QB on our roster that is even 1/10th the QB that Russell Wilson is.
This.
Yeah, you guys are confusing low passing yards for being a bad QB. The year the Ravens won the Super Bowl, Dilfer was a legitimately bad QB. His season passer rating was 76.6, good for #23 in the league. In his eight regular season starts, he went over 90.0 three times. Russell Wilson had the #7 passer rating for the regular season. He went over 90.0 ten out of sixteen games.
Is that because Wilson was efficient? In other words, he completed many of his attempts (albeit in a short passing game) and did so without turnovers? If that is the case, then that sounds a bit like Glennon, minus the important mobility, but does it also sound like Carr or any of the other guys we could draft? Jus wondering who the Bucs might draft if Wilson and the Seahawks were their model
Is that because Wilson was efficient? In other words, he completed many of his attempts (albeit in a short passing game) and did so without turnovers? If that is the case, then that sounds a bit like Glennon, minus the important mobility, but does it also sound like Carr or any of the other guys we could draft? Jus wondering who the Bucs might draft if Wilson and the Seahawks were their model
Wilson and Glennon are far apart. Completion percentageWilson: #12Glennon: #26Yards per attemptWilson: #4Glennon: #37Passer ratingWilson: #7Glennon: #21
Is that because Wilson was efficient? In other words, he completed many of his attempts (albeit in a short passing game) and did so without turnovers? If that is the case, then that sounds a bit like Glennon, minus the important mobility, but does it also sound like Carr or any of the other guys we could draft? Jus wondering who the Bucs might draft if Wilson and the Seahawks were their model
Wilson and Glennon are far apart. Completion percentageWilson: #12Glennon: #26Yards per attemptWilson: #4Glennon: #37Passer ratingWilson: #7Glennon: #21
Thanks but I wasn't suggesting their performance was the same ("a bit like"). The only relevant similarity ("a bit like") is the short passing being Glennon's supposed strength. I am not sure that comparing Glennon's rookie numbers on one of the worst teams in football to Wilson's non-rookie numbers on the best team in football tells us much anyway, but what I was getting at was the part you left out, in bold, which was are any of the draft prospects "Wilson-like" (i.e., high percentage passing, mobile QBs etc.). Could the Bucs take Carr, as an example, because they have the same thought process as Seattle (run and defend) and think Carr could be their version of Wilson, at some point in the future?
I'm not a QB guru beyond the obvious top 5 caliber prospects. Once you get past the top 5, if you don't know anything about a player, it's much more likely he's not going to be than he will be good. However, from what I've gathered Carr looks extremely sketchy. We talked about it in another thread, but just about all the good NFL QBs were in the top 20 for YPA as college players and many were in the top 5 (this does not mean all college players with good YPAs will be good NFL QBs). Carr is tied for 40th. If I had to bank on someone being the next Wilson, I'd lean toward Manziel and/or Murray way before Carr.
well, I guess we will see if the Bucs have access to any of those guys at #7. Thanks
Wilson is a fine caretaker.
I'm not a QB guru beyond the obvious top 5 caliber prospects. Once you get past the top 5, if you don't know anything about a player, it's much more likely he's not going to be than he will be good. However, from what I've gathered Carr looks extremely sketchy. We talked about it in another thread, but just about all the good NFL QBs were in the top 20 for YPA as college players and many were in the top 5 (this does not mean all college players with good YPAs will be good NFL QBs). Carr is tied for 40th. If I had to bank on someone being the next Wilson, I'd lean toward Manziel and/or Murray way before Carr.
Yup. Manziel would probably be "wilson 2.0." The right oc will be instrumental in his growth, so that's a combining factor.But at seven, if all the qb are gone besides carr, I'd have to draft him. He's probably better than glennon, and if not he would at least be able to work with the staff and provide a competition with glennon.
You'd spend #7 on Carr?
But at seven, if all the qb are gone besides carr, I'd have to draft him. He's probably better than glennon, and if not he would at least be able to work with the staff and provide a competition with glennon.
You don't draft a QB at #7 for "competition". You draft a QB at #7 because you're willing to bet your job he's going to be a multiple Pro Bowl player for the next ten years.
Wilson appears to be the perfect qb for the Seahawks, and it definitely not because he is a 'manager' of games. He makes plays, of all sorts, that enable their offense to keep the ball and score. Works pretty damned effectively.
agree I don't think the game manger label is fair, more like "team player"
He has to make plays , because he sucks inside the pocket. If you notice he leaves the pocket constantly., many times when it isnt even called for. He just can't see the field well from there. Granted, he excels at extending plays , but at the same time it limits his game not being able to excel at traditional pocket passing.Bottom line. His is a very good player , but he is a mediocre passer. It's the reason I don't think you can really consider him elite.
