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Posted by: @biggs3535

White gets credit because he did make the plays, but Minter (or any other competent replacement) would have likely made most of those same plays.

White also received an overabundance of praise, because he was loud, colorful, big social media presence, etc. 

Minter absolutely would've made that play on the fumble recovery against the Saints, as would 95% of every LB in the league. 

I mean, there was literally no Saints players within 14-18 yards of the loose ball (aside from Cook who got stripped and was down). Yet, on social media and here, White was crowned a God, while AWJ was an afterthought. 

Almost as pathetic as those gushing over the INT in the SB. 

It was the "game winning INT" the casuals ranted. Never mind that the score was 31-9 with about 1:30 left in the game. 

Yet, no love for LVD who basically clamped Kelce the whole night until some trash time yardage, which was given up by White trying to play hero ball (for no reason). 

 

 
Posted : May. 13, 2024 8:43 pm
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Posted by: @biggs3535

White gets credit because he did make the plays, but Minter (or any other competent replacement) would have likely made most of those same plays.

White also received an overabundance of praise, because he was loud, colorful, big social media presence, etc. 

Minter absolutely would've made that play on the fumble recovery against the Saints, as would 95% of every LB in the league. 

I mean, there was literally no Saints players within 14-18 yards of the loose ball (aside from Cook who got stripped and was down). Yet, on social media and here, White was crowned a God, while AWJ was an afterthought. 

Almost as pathetic as those gushing over the INT in the SB. 

It was the "game winning INT" the casuals ranted. Never mind that the score was 31-9 with about 1:30 left in the game. 

Yet, no love for LVD who basically clamped Kelce the whole night until some trash time yardage, which was given up by White trying to play hero ball (for no reason). 

 

 

I thought LVD was awesome, as you point out, and agree that some of White's praise was because "he was loud, colorful, big social media presence, etc." and, frankly, just his position and draft status. Maybe this is why you use the word "overabundance," meaning he's due some real praise, but its over the top in this instance.  Not sure but this  -- AND THE STATS I POINTED OUT - suggest he was NOT just making routine plays that "Minter (or any other competent replacemnt" would have made). Minter's actual stats are way less than White and LVDs are UP, only to drop back down when White comes back. Minter was not White. 

Aside from that though, you can see his tackles online and particularly in the Super Bowl he was using his speed to very often beat pulling lineman to the spot.  The intersting part of THAT to me though is how much of that was LVD too, meaning how much of it was White deciphering the play and how much was LVD telling him what was coming.

In the Bucs first Super Bowl the MVP was Dexter Jackson.  He had a couple INTs. Everyone has seen the video where one of those INTs was 100% John Lynch calling out the play ("sluggo seam") to Jackson before the snap.

 

White was never great

White is a FAILED draft pick

SR's piece is absurd

BUT . . . White also was NOT Minter or any replacement during the 2020 playoff run. 

 

 
Posted : May. 14, 2024 11:22 am
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It was the "game winning INT" the casuals ranted.

Ive never heard anyone really describe that play like that, precisely for the reason your go on to state. Even the Bucs only describe the INT as "sealing" the win.

https://www.buccaneers.com/video/devin-white-interception-mahomes-buccaneers-chiefs-super-bowl-55-big-play

But, White DOES make the play, meaning he is the one who steps in front and breaks it up. It is second down with a lot of time left too, so it was a BIG play.  Probably more on Mahomes than credit to White, but again he does actually make the play.

So, it shouldn't bee too much of a stretch to see how SOMEONE LIKE HIM COULD LET that playoff run go to his head. They beat Brees (away) Rodgers* (away) and Mahomes, with the defense standing out *in at least two of those games and he is the C of that defense, the BIG draft pick and he was involved in several of the BIG plays.  Thats why he was in the MVP talks, whether he deserved it or not. he would definitley think he deserved to be lol.

 
Posted : May. 14, 2024 11:36 am
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Posted by: @donkey_hunter

Minter absolutely would've made that play on the fumble recovery against the Saints, as would 95% of every LB in the league. 

Precisely right. One of many instances that the board simpleton can't grasp, while comparing stats from one game to stats from a second game with blissful ignorance.

 
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Posted by: @donkey_hunter

Minter absolutely would've made that play on the fumble recovery against the Saints, as would 95% of every LB in the league. 

Precisely right. One of many instances that the board simpleton can't grasp, while comparing stats from one game to stats from a second game with blissful ignorance.

 

The death knell clangs lol

 

 
Posted : May. 14, 2024 12:18 pm
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comparing stats from one game to stats from a second game with blissful ignorance.

Biggs, "YOUR" admitting you get the point I made when you include stuff like that^^ (in bold). Your response is your typical child-like deflection, especially coming from someone who uses stats all the time as "truth," but it at least shows YOU GOT THE POINT because you're trying to attack it (limp noodle style lol)

If anything, your silly argument (Minter=White) falls even further by highlighting two different games.

Minter is playing against the 7-9 Washington team led by Taylor Heinicke (lol) in a game the Bucs are in the lead and MINTER is almost invisible, with LVD stats going up (compensating). 

BY COMPARISON, White is playing against the 12-4 division winning Saints and HOFer Brees and the story of the game is turnovers, OF WHICH WHITE HAS TWO OF THEM. White has 10 tackles. LVDs stats go back down relative to the prior game.

 

 

 
Posted : May. 14, 2024 12:36 pm
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The perception of white was certainly favorable in that playoff run

Can not argue that. Look no further than the America’s game film 

they had Evans fournette and white talking about our season 

and it was the playoff run which catapulted white to relevance 

 
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The perception of white was certainly favorable in that playoff run

Can not argue that. Look no further than the America’s game film 

they had Evans fournette and white talking about our season 

and it was the playoff run which catapulted white to relevance 

 

Yes agreed

 

And that relevance is what seems to have gone to  White's head.  

 

Thats what makes SR's including him as a draft win odd given that SR ties Licht's success to drafting HIGH CHARACTER guys.  Ego in a team sport is LOW character, especially being a C and loafing

 

 
Posted : May. 14, 2024 2:13 pm
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To be fair, money & fame always expose true character.

Everyone knows the right thing to do, and for a stretch they do it…but eventually, if they don’t get the recognition & money (especially the money), some just end up doing what they want to do.

 
Posted : May. 14, 2024 11:39 pm
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