I would respectfully disagree on some of those shots about how open a guy is or the wisdom of some of those throws. Can they be made, yes, I'd not make all of them. That aside, he's done a lot of these All - 22's on Glennon over the last 5-6 weeks. There are a lot of guys screamingly open that he is missing on reads. That is what I expect from a rookie -- to miss reads. Honestly I am less worried about missing reads than missing throws. I expect him to get better at reads from this year to the next but I don't expect accuracy and ball placement to get notably better.
Exactly, screaming open doesn't it mean it's so and a snapshot doesn't show defenders drifting. Not to mention by the time some of these guys are open or are going to flash Glennon is feeling pressure and can't make the throw.He may be calling plays that get guys open but it's not a win if the route takes 3.5 seconds and Glennon is about to be sacked by the time the guy flashes.
You look at some of those shots and ask, "Would Favre make that throw"....yes. "Would Brad Johnson"...no. Some of the really bad misses are rookie some of them are going to be mentality
White is correct that the playcalling isn't as bad as some posters around here would like everyone to think. Even going back to when Freeman was the QB, there are dozens of (sometimes big) plays every week that are left out on the field because of execution issues.
I would respectfully disagree on some of those shots about how open a guy is or the wisdom of some of those throws. Can they be made, yes, I'd not make all of them. That aside, he's done a lot of these All - 22's on Glennon over the last 5-6 weeks. There are a lot of guys screamingly open that he is missing on reads. That is what I expect from a rookie -- to miss reads. Honestly I am less worried about missing reads than missing throws. I expect him to get better at reads from this year to the next but I don't expect accuracy and ball placement to get notably better.
Exactly, screaming open doesn't it mean it's so and a snapshot doesn't show defenders drifting. Not to mention by the time some of these guys are open or are going to flash Glennon is feeling pressure and can't make the throw.He may be calling plays that get guys open but it's not a win if the route takes 3.5 seconds and Glennon is about to be sacked by the time the guy flashes.
You look at some of those shots and ask, "Would Favre make that throw"....yes. "Would Brad Johnson"...no. Some of the really bad misses are rookie some of them are going to be mentality
Agree with this.
I would respectfully disagree on some of those shots about how open a guy is or the wisdom of some of those throws. Can they be made, yes, I'd not make all of them. That aside, he's done a lot of these All - 22's on Glennon over the last 5-6 weeks. There are a lot of guys screamingly open that he is missing on reads. That is what I expect from a rookie -- to miss reads. Honestly I am less worried about missing reads than missing throws. I expect him to get better at reads from this year to the next but I don't expect accuracy and ball placement to get notably better.
Exactly, screaming open doesn't it mean it's so and a snapshot doesn't show defenders drifting. Not to mention by the time some of these guys are open or are going to flash Glennon is feeling pressure and can't make the throw.He may be calling plays that get guys open but it's not a win if the route takes 3.5 seconds and Glennon is about to be sacked by the time the guy flashes.
You look at some of those shots and ask, "Would Favre make that throw"....yes. "Would Brad Johnson"...no. Some of the really bad misses are rookie some of them are going to be mentality
I agree. I think that's White's point as well, which is why he prefaced his criticism on that last play by saying "Down 16 points with not much time left isn't the time to be risk averse. This is the time to have a little bit of a wild streak and take some chances. I just don't think Glennon is built that way. That is why I don't see him as a long-term answer, for now at least."Lots of posters on this message board have been saying the same thing, and it was a knock on him in college as well. That isn't coaching, that isn't being a rookie, that's just Glennon. He is who he is. You are either willing to live with that or you aren't.
White is correct that the playcalling isn't as bad as some posters around here would like everyone to think. Even going back to when Freeman was the QB, there are dozens of (sometimes big) plays every week that are left out on the field because of execution issues.
I've knocked Sullivan quite a bit, and honestly was wrong about last week's game - seems like a lot of the routes I wanted to see where there, just not taken advantage of. That said, still have the issue of the sequencing and predictability - 2nd and long = run stuff.
Some of the things pointed out I do chalk up to Glennon being a rookie ...for example the shot of him staring down VJ while Wright is open underneath is a classic example of a QB waiting to see if option 1 pops open before going through his next progression. I think a more seasoned QB would diagnose that route as a lost cause a bit quicker and then move on. This is something I hope he can improve on ...we all know Josh never really did.
White seems to have a minor hard in about Glennon, he's been highly critical for a while now. I think is the Schiano connection. While on the details he's often right, he stretches them sometimes (like Dolorous mentioned throwing back across his body late into the middle, even Steve should know you can't do that, and there is another example where he had instant pressure but Steve has a still that looks like he actually had time to make a read and toss Brady might not make). My primary issue with his talk abou Glennon though (and his defense of sully, which IMO also stems from his Schiano issues) is the lack of perspective. Much of what heis critical of him on is stuff he's actually pretty good at for a rookie. But Steve seems to expect him to be doing things like a seasoned vet. Glennon misses reads. Every QB does that to an extent but especially rookies. He excuses thenplatcalling because " there are deep routes" that people allegedly claim don't exist, but that is a complete line of BS - nobody is claiming he doesn't call them, it's actually the opposite, he is calling them too much. So a rookie takes too long to decide if a read is open before moving on to ythe next. Coaching him to be mega cautious also plays in here. The routes are also,often packed into a similar depth and leave no options outside of that and a check down -- over andobpver I see three guys all the same 20 yards downfield and nothing but a RB check down underneath, so all the defenders can sit at the same level and let the LBs crash down on the check down. He never threatens multiple levels. Playcalling is also not just about individual routes, but predictability, appropriateness and timeliness, and playing to a QBs strengths. Too many play calls can be seen coming by Stevie Wonder, too many put us in bad position, and too many ask glennon to do things that aren't his forte while blatantly ignoring things he does well. Good coaches and OCs get their QBs input on what plays they like and work to their strength. We don't and that is not all Schiano.
Good post Caradoc.
Ah yes the internet red board posters know more about the guy who actually played in the nfl. If they say the throw isn't open there's no way it was. Glennon played well Sunday. He didn't miss a lot of open guys running up the field .....
So.....name me a rookie QB that is going to come in and not have days like this. Please, let us and the Bucs know if such a creature exists. Im sure we can analyze some plays missed from Manning, Brady, and Brees after every game as well. Especially against a top-notch front 7.
When you are seeing a still shot of a guy wide open the ball should have already been thrown.I agree that no QB is going to be able to find the open WR every time. That is impossible. But what you want is your QB to read the defense and anticipate. ......that is the key word. If the safety is playing deep to cover VJax then why bother staring him down? Glennon knows that Wright is going to run that crosser and with the safety playing deep that should now be his hot read. Honestly he is gun shy. I truly believe that he is being coached to not make mistakes. Schiano has ruined him already if you ask me.
Rookies miss reads all the time.Lets see how Glennon finishes the season.
Lets see how Glennon finishes the season.
don't' really need to at this point. It's pretty obvious he's a guy who has a lot of potential to be a very good QB in a quicker passing game but we won't see that happen any time soon because Schiano wants to run the Stone Age Offense regardless of whether it works or fits his QBs strengths. So instead of seeing if Glennon can succeed in a system that fits him all we will see is how stubborn Schiano is.
I don't think Sullivan is the problem. He seems to adjust his play calling to whoever the QB is. He had to spoon feed Freeman, and with Glennon, he can open it up a little bit more.
We just need to run the clock out as fast as possible, Get Schiano to his Half time Meal and Dinner Quicker is his Goal. .
This is why steve white wasn't a quarterback all the throws he pointed out that went across the middle would have ended picked off or a receiver getting blown up. Each of those screencaps had a guy 2-3 yards in front of the receiver the qb would have to perfectly lob it in between the underneath and over the top defender, while not leaving his receiver hanging out to dry
