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That’s why you have to take advantage of it when it happens. Barron was that guy this draft, but they went Egbuka. We’ll see if they or the pundits were right.

Agreed. 

Don’t hate the pick by any means and get the logic behind it. 

But, wasn’t BPA in my opinion. And one of those opportunities where BPA and need intersected. 

Hard to argue with that but my schtick all off season is that wr is a massive need.

I view McMillan as an elite wr3, and an average wr2.

I view Godwin as an elite wr2, and a fringe wr1 assuming he comes back 100%.

Evans is elite but he might be done after this year...

Given the age of our two best weapons this was a clear need for me...

But again Barron would have been a good pick too.

 

 
Posted : May. 10, 2025 5:34 pm
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That’s why you have to take advantage of it when it happens. Barron was that guy this draft, but they went Egbuka. We’ll see if they or the pundits were right.

Agreed. 

Don’t hate the pick by any means and get the logic behind it. 

But, wasn’t BPA in my opinion. And one of those opportunities where BPA and need intersected. 

Hard to argue with that but my schtick all off season is that wr is a massive need.

I view McMillan as an elite wr3, and an average wr2.

I view Godwin as an elite wr2, and a fringe wr1 assuming he comes back 100%.

Evans is elite but he might be done after this year...

Given the age of our two best weapons this was a clear need for me...

But again Barron would have been a good pick too.

 

I think it's too early to judge McMillan. 

Think you're spot on about CG and ME. 

All of this being said, I didn't see WR as a massive need (unless Smooth Brain Bowles decides to nuke our current group again due to his stupidity).

I do think we would possibly be in the market next season (definitely the one after), so I don't mind it being addressed now, versus when you're telegraphing it. 

 

 

 
Posted : May. 10, 2025 6:49 pm
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I think very few teams can commit to a pure BPA strategy.

Maybe advances analytics/AI will (is?) changing some of the strategies.

 
Posted : May. 10, 2025 7:52 pm
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Posted by: @biggs3535

That’s why you have to take advantage of it when it happens. Barron was that guy this draft, but they went Egbuka. We’ll see if they or the pundits were right.

Agreed. 

Don’t hate the pick by any means and get the logic behind it. 

But, wasn’t BPA in my opinion. And one of those opportunities where BPA and need intersected. 

Hard to argue with that but my schtick all off season is that wr is a massive need.

I view McMillan as an elite wr3, and an average wr2.

I view Godwin as an elite wr2, and a fringe wr1 assuming he comes back 100%.

Evans is elite but he might be done after this year...

Given the age of our two best weapons this was a clear need for me...

But again Barron would have been a good pick too.

 

I think it's too early to judge McMillan. 

Think you're spot on about CG and ME. 

All of this being said, I didn't see WR as a massive need (unless Smooth Brain Bowles decides to nuke our current group again due to his stupidity).

I do think we would possibly be in the market next season (definitely the one after), so I don't mind it being addressed now, versus when you're telegraphing it. 

 

 

Yeah good point. Ultimately if we can grab some camp fodder at LB and edge I think we can put out a serviceable defense.

It won't be last year's masterpiece that JC fawns over but I think Reddick, and CB is enough to make Bowles telegraphed blitz strategy slightly more effective.

I think we should offer Clowney 2m/year and a chance to start. 

Hopefully some LB help as well because it looks from there. 

 

 
Posted : May. 10, 2025 9:54 pm
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Yeah good point. Ultimately if we can grab some camp fodder at LB and edge I think we can put out a serviceable defense.

It won't be last year's masterpiece that JC fawns over but I think Reddick, and CB is enough to make Bowles telegraphed blitz strategy slightly more effective.

I think we should offer Clowney 2m/year and a chance to start. 

Hopefully some LB help as well because it looks from there. 

The team had 7 INTs total in 2024 which is way too low.  The year before they had 13 INTs.  2022 - 10 INTs, 2021 - 17 INTs, 2020 - 15 INTs, 2019 - 12 INTs.

If the defense can force more INTs, fumbles and punts to hand it back to the elite offense then I think that is more than good enough. 

Keep in mind sacks generated do not really correlate with INT numbers:

2019 - 47. 2020 - 48, 2021 - 47, 2022 - 44, 2023 - 47, 2024 - 46

Sure, having Reddick, adding Walker, moving Foote to OLB to coach up Diaby, Braswell, Watts and Ramirez all helps.  But at the end of the day the DBs can not play so much soft coverage and expect to come up with INTs.

And Bowles has to do better play calling to force those INTs.

It is as simple as that. 

 
Posted : May. 11, 2025 12:28 am
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Yeah good point. Ultimately if we can grab some camp fodder at LB and edge I think we can put out a serviceable defense.

It won't be last year's masterpiece that JC fawns over but I think Reddick, and CB is enough to make Bowles telegraphed blitz strategy slightly more effective.

I think we should offer Clowney 2m/year and a chance to start. 

Hopefully some LB help as well because it looks from there. 

The team had 7 INTs total in 2024 which is way too low.  The year before they had 13 INTs.  2022 - 10 INTs, 2021 - 17 INTs, 2020 - 15 INTs, 2019 - 12 INTs.

If the defense can force more INTs, fumbles and punts to hand it back to the elite offense then I think that is more than good enough. 

Keep in mind sacks generated do not really correlate with INT numbers:

2019 - 47. 2020 - 48, 2021 - 47, 2022 - 44, 2023 - 47, 2024 - 46

Sure, having Reddick, adding Walker, moving Foote to OLB to coach up Diaby, Braswell, Watts and Ramirez all helps.  But at the end of the day the DBs can not play so much soft coverage and expect to come up with INTs.

And Bowles has to do better play calling to force those INTs.

It is as simple as that. 

Agreed 

 

 
Posted : May. 11, 2025 1:01 am
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Yeah good point. Ultimately if we can grab some camp fodder at LB and edge I think we can put out a serviceable defense.

It won't be last year's masterpiece that JC fawns over but I think Reddick, and CB is enough to make Bowles telegraphed blitz strategy slightly more effective.

I think we should offer Clowney 2m/year and a chance to start. 

Hopefully some LB help as well because it looks from there. 

The team had 7 INTs total in 2024 which is way too low.  The year before they had 13 INTs.  2022 - 10 INTs, 2021 - 17 INTs, 2020 - 15 INTs, 2019 - 12 INTs.

If the defense can force more INTs, fumbles and punts to hand it back to the elite offense then I think that is more than good enough. 

Keep in mind sacks generated do not really correlate with INT numbers:

2019 - 47. 2020 - 48, 2021 - 47, 2022 - 44, 2023 - 47, 2024 - 46

Sure, having Reddick, adding Walker, moving Foote to OLB to coach up Diaby, Braswell, Watts and Ramirez all helps.  But at the end of the day the DBs can not play so much soft coverage and expect to come up with INTs.

And Bowles has to do better play calling to force those INTs.

It is as simple as that. 

Agreed 

 

 
Posted : May. 11, 2025 1:04 am
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That’s why you have to take advantage of it when it happens. Barron was that guy this draft, but they went Egbuka. We’ll see if they or the pundits were right.

Agreed. 

Don’t hate the pick by any means and get the logic behind it. 

But, wasn’t BPA in my opinion. And one of those opportunities where BPA and need intersected. 

It's good to see I'm not the only one who feels this way. 

 

 
Posted : May. 11, 2025 7:52 am
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Posted by: @donkey_hunter

Posted by: @biggs3535

That’s why you have to take advantage of it when it happens. Barron was that guy this draft, but they went Egbuka. We’ll see if they or the pundits were right.

Agreed. 

Don’t hate the pick by any means and get the logic behind it. 

But, wasn’t BPA in my opinion. And one of those opportunities where BPA and need intersected. 

It's good to see I'm not the only one who feels this way. 

 

I think there’s quite few who feel the way you do. 

As I said, I like the pick. 

Would’ve liked Barron better. 

Would’ve punted a newborn Koala into the sun if we took Campbell. 

 

 
Posted : May. 11, 2025 8:34 am
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Would’ve punted a newborn Koala into the sun if we took Campbell. 

I'd be your place holder 

 
Posted : May. 11, 2025 11:10 am
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Only time will tell but pretty fascinating when you look at the Bucs draft as a whole.  Barron seems like  the intersection of talent and need, but if they know they have a good chance to get Morrison and Parrish later, the need side of the equation changes?

So many mocks had them taking Campbell because of the external perceived need, but internally it was never really in the cards because they seem to believe in SVD, a point I think Alldaway has been correctly making most offseason . A

nd maybe no early Edge because they seem to believe in Braswell, or at least want to see what they have in him.

 

All of those choices and inside planning by the B ucs could turn out to be wrong, but it might explain why an actual team's picks might often vary from the draft in a vacuum approach.

 

For better and for worse!

 
Posted : May. 12, 2025 11:05 am
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Only time will tell but pretty fascinating when you look at the Bucs draft as a whole.  Barron seems like  the intersection of talent and need, but if they know they have a good chance to get Morrison and Parrish later, the need side of the equation changes?

So many mocks had them taking Campbell because of the external perceived need, but internally it was never really in the cards because they seem to believe in SVD, a point I think Alldaway has been correctly making most offseason . A

nd maybe no early Edge because they seem to believe in Braswell, or at least want to see what they have in him.

 

All of those choices and inside planning by the B ucs could turn out to be wrong, but it might explain why an actual team's picks might often vary from the draft in a vacuum approach.

 

For better and for worse!

They may have thought the UCLA LB would fall but Browns reached on him 

 

 
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