Debucsown, this is an interesting take you have
you along with Todd Bowles’s immediate family may be the only defenders of him for last night
Let’s say Mayfield got hurt instead out for season, down 41-18 in the 4th; does that change the “play to win the came”
good or non retarded coaches put the back ups in. To be down 10, with no time outs, under 1 minute to go; it’s looks pathetic #1 and #2 you risk injuries
Why would bowels do it here but in the Detroit playoff game he didn’t even use timeouts and let the clock run out. That was a 1 score game!
It's also bad faith to leave your starters in when they benched their starters.
Immediate karma.
Bowles might build good culture and he is certainly a good man/person... But he continues to be a liability as a coach and as a defensive coordinator.
Look at his blitz rate and look at Lamar's stats. They knew it was coming.
2nd and goal and the 22 and he does an all out blitz. No chance of knocking them out of Fg range.
That play call alone makes me want him gone... Then factor in the FG. Fuck him
I get competing till they shut off the lights - IF the stakes are high enough and it means something.
This one just didn’t.
Atlanta does.
It's also bad faith to leave your starters in when they benched their starters.
Immediate karma.
Bowles might build good culture and he is certainly a good man/person... But he continues to be a liability as a coach and as a defensive coordinator.
Look at his blitz rate and look at Lamar's stats. They knew it was coming.
2nd and goal and the 22 and he does an all out blitz. No chance of knocking them out of Fg range.
That play call alone makes me want him gone... Then factor in the FG. Fuck him
Bowles, while a nice guy, is living off his 2020 performance
2020 - the defense came alive and shut down a dynasty in the Chiefs. Nothing but credit to Bowles here. I suppose having an offense filled with hall of famers and pro bowl caliber players helps a bit putting up 31 points a game.
2021 - That blitz. Guess we didn't want to play for OT there?
2022 - Brady's only losing season in 23 seasons. The offense was brutal and defense actually kept them in games but this clown was the head coach.
2023 - Sitting at 4-7, and a 1-6 losing skid, yeah he was on the brinks of elimination; bailed out by offense jelling/getting hot at the right time
2024 - Sitting at 4-2, looking even better than last year, offense putting up 30+ points a game in the last month; but poor decision making ends the season before Halloween....with a winning record to boot!
what's even worse is that the Bucs can go 7-10 this year and Bowles will keep his job. But hey, we always have 2020 guys!
I appreciate it. Keep spreading fake news mah dude
Keep comparing Evans going down in the Q1 to Godwin being in with a minute to go in a game we had less that 1% to win.
And instead of being upset about it, you’re more concerned with your $20 fantasy league.
All for the sake for defending a shitty head coach. One, who didn’t show this “play to win” mentality against Detroit last year in the playoffs.
I suppose having an offense filled with hall of famers and pro bowl caliber players helps a bit putting up 31 points a game.
Or KC not having offensive tackles.
Why would bowels do it here but in the Detroit playoff game he didn’t even use timeouts and let the clock run out. That was a 1 score game!
EXACTLY!
I’m not ready to fire Bowles, but something has to give…this defense can’t seem to stop teams in crunch time this season. You can tell me all you want about manufacturing sacks - but if you can’t get there with 4 up front - then you’re pulling someone out of coverage. I know one of those 60 yard bombs came with zero pressure, Lamar had ALL DAY…
So frustrated, I get the defensive injuries took it out of us earlier, but we were as close to full strength as we could get last night - and we were TORCHED.
Listen, Jackson & Henry are playing in another level…that game was out of hand. I haven’t watched enough of Coen to known if his philosophy is to do what he did in the last minute last night - so we don’t actually know who had Godwin & Baker in for that - but J can hold the defensive coordinator to blame for that sorry defense that couldn’t consistently get a stop, or at least force a field goal, late.
it’s WAY past time to get some pass rush generated at edge - the trade deadline gives us some time to pull something together to bring a legit edge rush in - maybe even a corner / to two positions that have no incumbents playing for a contract that it will effect next season.
We tried - AND FAILED - with the “you can generate pass rush from elsewhere along the line” philosophy. Fix that and we might have a chance. Especially by pounding the rock with the 3 backs we have, that can still complement an aggressive defense.
This game has to force us to adjust both the offensive & defensive personnel/strategy.
Debucsown, this is an interesting take you have
you along with Todd Bowles’s immediate family may be the only defenders of him for last night
Let’s say Mayfield got hurt instead out for season, down 41-18 in the 4th; does that change the “play to win the came”
good or non retarded coaches put the back ups in. To be down 10, with no time outs, under 1 minute to go; it’s looks pathetic #1 and #2 you risk injuries
Why would bowels do it here but in the Detroit playoff game he didn’t even use timeouts and let the clock run out. That was a 1 score game!
im defending him because im saying he shouldn’t get fired?
Again hindsight’s always 20/20.
easy to nitpick when something like a player injury happens. Did any of us want him fired prior to last night?
nope. If we won would we have wanted him fired? Nope.
because Godwin is injured we should fire him now? Obviously. Eye roll.
I’m not ready to fire Bowles, but something has to give…this defense can’t seem to stop teams in crunch time this season. You can tell me all you want about manufacturing sacks - but if you can’t get there with 4 up front - then you’re pulling someone out of coverage. I know one of those 60 yard bombs came with zero pressure, Lamar had ALL DAY…
So frustrated, I get the defensive injuries took it out of us earlier, but we were as close to full strength as we could get last night - and we were TORCHED.
Listen, Jackson & Henry are playing in another level…that game was out of hand. I haven’t watched enough of Coen to known if his philosophy is to do what he did in the last minute last night - so we don’t actually know who had Godwin & Baker in for that - but J can hold the defensive coordinator to blame for that sorry defense that couldn’t consistently get a stop, or at least force a field goal, late.
it’s WAY past time to get some pass rush generated at edge - the trade deadline gives us some time to pull something together to bring a legit edge rush in - maybe even a corner / to two positions that have no incumbents playing for a contract that it will effect next season.
We tried - AND FAILED - with the “you can generate pass rush from elsewhere along the line” philosophy. Fix that and we might have a chance. Especially by pounding the rock with the 3 backs we have, that can still complement an aggressive defense.
This game has to force us to adjust both the offensive & defensive personnel/strategy.
Baltimore is a top team in the league. Getting blown out by them isn't the issue.
Anybody should have known before the game that we would have had to put up 30-35 points to win this game.
So yes, to that end, they disappointed with 41. There is no doubt about it.
throw away the season crippling injuries to Godwin and Evans, we lost the game in a few different situations:
1 - Baker throwing an INT in the red zone when we could have gone up 17-7.
2 - The defense then being atrocious giving up 80 yards TD drive, so 17-7 lead turns into 14-10 deficit, a damn 14 point swing.
In any event, it's 17-10 at half time and still within reach
3 - it's fucking 3rd and 25 at the Baltimore 48 and we give up 18 yards to the fucking running back to give them a free three points. absurd.
4 - It's 1st and 10 at the Baltimore 43 on the ensuing drive. a pass to McMillian for no gain, a run on second down to set obviously 3rd down and long; baker scramble to set up a 55 yard attempt against the wind. Obviously not being our night, a field goal miss
Did we really think we still had a shot after that...it was only 20-10 but do you need an anvil to fall on your head?
In terms of Bowles getting fired, unfortunately i just dont see it. He will obviously finish out the year, call it 7-10, 8-9 record but ownership/management will chalk it up to injuries as to why the team fell short.
do i think Bowles deserves to keep his job after making playoffs in his first 2 years? No. I never thought he deserved the job in the first place. He is not qualified. But, there is no way they fire him. Heck, they can maybe go 4-13 and he still has a 33% chance of keeping the job.
the only possible way is if Coen and the offense manage to continue to perform without Evans and Godwin. Then there's no doubt he will be in head coaching consideration and we at that point need to keep him on our team. Even then, im still not sure our front office has the balls to do it. They did it with Koetter/Lovie but that was a different situation where the team sucked. In this situation, Bowles resume speaks louder than his actual performance.
Debucsown, this is an interesting take you have
you along with Todd Bowles’s immediate family may be the only defenders of him for last night
Let’s say Mayfield got hurt instead out for season, down 41-18 in the 4th; does that change the “play to win the came”
good or non retarded coaches put the back ups in. To be down 10, with no time outs, under 1 minute to go; it’s looks pathetic #1 and #2 you risk injuries
Why would bowels do it here but in the Detroit playoff game he didn’t even use timeouts and let the clock run out. That was a 1 score game!
im defending him because im saying he shouldn’t get fired?
Again hindsight’s always 20/20.
easy to nitpick when something like a player injury happens. Did any of us want him fired prior to last night?
nope. If we won would we have wanted him fired? Nope.
because Godwin is injured we should fire him now? Obviously. Eye roll.
well first of all, at the very least this should put him on the hot seat. it was a bone head decision and one that cost the Bucs their season
While 98.8% of the fan base wants Bowles gone, realistically we all know that was not going to happen after last night. it's just the heartbreak of his incompetency which now made football meaningless for the rest of the year. We haven't had meaningless football since 2019. and if you don't believe me...Bucs went from being 3 point favorites against the Falcons to 3 point underdogs so Vegas knows what the 98.8% of us also know.
I think 50% of us thought Bowles never deserved the job to begin with, would up it to 98.8% (he's developed a floor support level) that wanted him fired if we were to drop from 4-7 to 4-8 last year
99.9% of us were on board for him to retain his job after the bounce back and playoff run. But that number was likely back down to 50% when factoring in "yeah but he could be on the hot seat in the 2024 season given the schedule".
The Bucs managed to perform as expected through this point in the season. They surprised with impressive wins against Detroit and Philly and dropped the Denver game but i think most had us about 4-3 through this point. A loss this week against Atlanta and we are not performing under expectations. (I assume you had us at 9-11 wins and a playoff birth)
What do you think the Bucs record will be now? with Evans out until at least the bye week and Godwin out for the season. Just curious, as what to see where your head is at
Debucsown, this is an interesting take you have
you along with Todd Bowles’s immediate family may be the only defenders of him for last night
Let’s say Mayfield got hurt instead out for season, down 41-18 in the 4th; does that change the “play to win the came”
good or non retarded coaches put the back ups in. To be down 10, with no time outs, under 1 minute to go; it’s looks pathetic #1 and #2 you risk injuries
Why would bowels do it here but in the Detroit playoff game he didn’t even use timeouts and let the clock run out. That was a 1 score game!
im defending him because im saying he shouldn’t get fired?
Again hindsight’s always 20/20.
easy to nitpick when something like a player injury happens. Did any of us want him fired prior to last night?
nope. If we won would we have wanted him fired? Nope.
because Godwin is injured we should fire him now? Obviously. Eye roll.
well first of all, at the very least this should put him on the hot seat. it was a bone head decision and one that cost the Bucs their season
While 98.8% of the fan base wants Bowles gone, realistically we all know that was not going to happen after last night. it's just the heartbreak of his incompetency which now made football meaningless for the rest of the year. We haven't had meaningless football since 2019. and if you don't believe me...Bucs went from being 3 point favorites against the Falcons to 3 point underdogs so Vegas knows what the 98.8% of us also know.
I think 50% of us thought Bowles never deserved the job to begin with, would up it to 98.8% (he's developed a floor support level) that wanted him fired if we were to drop from 4-7 to 4-8 last year
99.9% of us were on board for him to retain his job after the bounce back and playoff run. But that number was likely back down to 50% when factoring in "yeah but he could be on the hot seat in the 2024 season given the schedule".
The Bucs managed to perform as expected through this point in the season. They surprised with impressive wins against Detroit and Philly and dropped the Denver game but i think most had us about 4-3 through this point. A loss this week against Atlanta and we are not performing under expectations. (I assume you had us at 9-11 wins and a playoff birth)
What do you think the Bucs record will be now? with Evans out until at least the bye week and Godwin out for the season. Just curious, as what to see where your head is at
id be surprised if we made the playoffs sadly, I’m at 7-8 wins and yes largely due to the Godwin & Evans injury. I’ll be the first to tell you I went from potential Super Bowl run to missing the playoffs just based off those two injuries.
and prior to last year I was driving the bandwagon of Bowles is a great dc not a good head coach.
also didn’t like when we signed baker.
they both won me over last year.
is Bowles the best coach in the league? Nah. But he’s won here. Very few coaches are unfireable. But we all expected a rebuild post Brady that hasn’t came. It’s been a retool.
we have a chance to be even better next year. I hope we bring Godwin back.
Debucsown, this is an interesting take you have
you along with Todd Bowles’s immediate family may be the only defenders of him for last night
Let’s say Mayfield got hurt instead out for season, down 41-18 in the 4th; does that change the “play to win the came”
good or non retarded coaches put the back ups in. To be down 10, with no time outs, under 1 minute to go; it’s looks pathetic #1 and #2 you risk injuries
Why would bowels do it here but in the Detroit playoff game he didn’t even use timeouts and let the clock run out. That was a 1 score game!
im defending him because im saying he shouldn’t get fired?
Again hindsight’s always 20/20.
easy to nitpick when something like a player injury happens. Did any of us want him fired prior to last night?
nope. If we won would we have wanted him fired? Nope.
because Godwin is injured we should fire him now? Obviously. Eye roll.
well first of all, at the very least this should put him on the hot seat. it was a bone head decision and one that cost the Bucs their season
While 98.8% of the fan base wants Bowles gone, realistically we all know that was not going to happen after last night. it's just the heartbreak of his incompetency which now made football meaningless for the rest of the year. We haven't had meaningless football since 2019. and if you don't believe me...Bucs went from being 3 point favorites against the Falcons to 3 point underdogs so Vegas knows what the 98.8% of us also know.
I think 50% of us thought Bowles never deserved the job to begin with, would up it to 98.8% (he's developed a floor support level) that wanted him fired if we were to drop from 4-7 to 4-8 last year
99.9% of us were on board for him to retain his job after the bounce back and playoff run. But that number was likely back down to 50% when factoring in "yeah but he could be on the hot seat in the 2024 season given the schedule".
The Bucs managed to perform as expected through this point in the season. They surprised with impressive wins against Detroit and Philly and dropped the Denver game but i think most had us about 4-3 through this point. A loss this week against Atlanta and we are not performing under expectations. (I assume you had us at 9-11 wins and a playoff birth)
What do you think the Bucs record will be now? with Evans out until at least the bye week and Godwin out for the season. Just curious, as what to see where your head is at
id be surprised if we made the playoffs sadly, I’m at 7-8 wins and yes largely due to the Godwin & Evans injury. I’ll be the first to tell you I went from potential Super Bowl run to missing the playoffs just based off those two injuries.
and prior to last year I was driving the bandwagon of Bowles is a great dc not a good head coach.
also didn’t like when we signed baker.
they both won me over last year.
is Bowles the best coach in the league? Nah. But he’s won here. Very few coaches are unfireable. But we all expected a rebuild post Brady that hasn’t came. It’s been a retool.
we have a chance to be even better next year. I hope we bring Godwin back.
ok so at least you have reasonable expectations as to what happened
I guess I look at it as the Strength of the team at least the last 2 years has been the offense. The defense isn’t nearly as good as it was in 2022. That’s called regression.
to me, we need an offensive minded head coach. Our hands were tied back in 2022.
i agree he isn’t going anywhere but that doesn’t mean he is a mediocre head coach; we win in spite of him
Guys. The fire able offense is how bad his defense is. It’s horrible. And that’s what he’s here to do… coach the defense.
Agreed he should be fired, shoulda been fired after the Lions playoff game last year. What irks me most is QB's just throw to win against us and I see no evidence we can stop any team that can pass the ball.
