Payton Manning runs a very complicated offense where the QB comes to the line with all of the calls and makes audibles based upon pre-snap reads. It's nothing new, it's just something new to Tampa.The question is whether or not Glennon is smart enough to make the correct calls and has the talent to move the ball effectively in the offense.
Totally disagree...it is the coach who should evaluate his QB and adapt his system to fit the assets he has...hopefully Tedford isn't stubborn enough to force his system on a QB who will be learning his 2nd system in less than a year in the NFL
Are you for real or just trolling?
Are you for real or just trolling?
The sad thing is, I think he might be for real.
I should have been more specific, as I believe Peyton Manning is a top 5 QB of all time. I agree with the posters take on Manning. Just not a fan of the Tedford hire...he has zero NFL experience calling plays, hiring a staff in the NFL, and recruiting NFL players to play in his offensive system.
I should have been more specific, as I believe Peyton Manning is a top 5 QB of all time. I agree with the posters take on Manning. Just not a fan of the Tedford hire...he has zero NFL experience calling plays, hiring a staff in the NFL, and recruiting NFL players to play in his offensive system.
Well, good thing he won't be responsible for hiring a staff or recruiting players, then.
I should have been more specific, as I believe Peyton Manning is a top 5 QB of all time. I agree with the posters take on Manning. Just not a fan of the Tedford hire...he has zero NFL experience calling plays, hiring a staff in the NFL, and recruiting NFL players to play in his offensive system.
Jay Gruden, a former AFL offensive coordinator with zero NFL experience calling plays is one of the best play callers in the NFL.Dirk Koetter a former college OC jumped right into the NFL and has had top 10 offenses in the NFL w/Jaguars and Falcons.How about Marc Trestman? AFL head coach. Your concerns are silly since its going to be a big advantage for us next year since nobody in the NFL has seen Tedford call plays before or his philosophy.
Glennon is a football junkie with a high football IQ. So him learning the system shouldnt be an issue. Now...everyone else is the question mark.
His system was complex by the standards of college players who don't have a full time job learning the playbook. Pros with an entire offseason should be fine.
What is the Tedford - Lovie Smith connection?
Well, according to former Cal Athletic Director and current Yale Heavyweight Crew Coach Steve Gladstone - the last man to make a football hire in Berkeley - stuff might already be happening."In that world, so many people anticipate what's going to happen. To say you start a formal search would be incorrect," Gladstone said. "People call, and they just tell you: 'this looks to be inevitable, this is the person I think would be good for the job'. It happens organically. It's not something where there's a formal announcement."So who might be calling?"This comes, primarily, from football people, people with a specific interest in the position."Or at least, it did back in 2002, the last time Cal made a sideline change, firing Tom Holmoe following a program-worst 1-10 season, and hiring Tedford."Bill Walsh was somebody who was promoting various candidates. The alumni made a big move for Bruce Snyder. Essentially people in football. [Yahoo! sports writer and Cal alum] Mike Silver was extremely helpful, because he put us in contact with a lot of people. Lovie Smith was helpful. So it happened that way, and then we travelled, and visited with perspective coaches. I was not going to be rushed. There was a lot of pressure from the press to hire a coach quickly, but I wanted to make sure it was thorough."Gladstone counts 15 serious candidates who were considered, including three finalists: Tedford, and two others who are currently head coaches, one in the NFL, and one in the Big East.Gladstone's search committee was four-strong: himself, associate athletic directors Dan Coonan and Mark Stephens, and Cal rugby head coach Jack Clark."I don't know if there's a standard protocol. We had a committee. We contacted lots of people in the collegiate and pro ranks that could give us informed information about the people who were out there, and we proceeded from there."It just isn't formulaic. For me, it really came down to having been a coach my entire life. I have a pretty good sense of what's real and what's not real, what counts and what doesn't count. Mark played the game, and knew it well. Jack played the game and knew it well. Dan Coonen was a Notre Dame guy. We all trusted our instincts in the process. Ultimately, without giving you too much detail, it was my decision. But I listened to the people on the committee."Whether or not a search committee orchestrated by current AD Sandy Barbour will look similar, remains to be seen. One thing that is certain though: a long-time collegiate head coach won't be hiring another one, as was the case with Gladstone, whose Cal crew teams medaled at the IRA regatta 11 times in his 12 seasons from 1997-2008 - an unprecedented achievement in the 113-year history of the championship."What's challenging in the search, particularly with football: there are so many slick presentations, and an enormous amount of politics involved," he said. "I remember getting a call from the head coach of the New York Giants - he was just raving about this guy, one of his coordinators. Fortunately, I had a friend in the New York Giants organization and it turns out, the head coach had just fired this guy. I guess he was going to do him a favor. The politics, how that works, it can be pretty scratchy. It's best if you can have ex-players, people who have played for these people, knowledgable and bright people, giving you opinions on who to pursue and who not to pursue. Then you have to trust your own thoughts and feelings."In the end, those thoughts and feelings lead Gladstone to Tedford."I hired him because I thought, my sense, was that he was going to be successful. That was my own sense of what makes a coach work. Being a coach, I have a pretty good feel for that. Obviously I thought Jeff was the guy. His opening rounds, his first six years, they certainly were remarkable in the history of Cal football."I was somewhat amused at the time when there was this feeling in the Cal community, that one really couldn't have successful football at Cal. And you'd ask them why, and they'd say 'academics', and that's just not accurate. And then, you know, Jeff had some very, very good years and that myth was dispelled."I remember, several years ago, at Cal, my third year, [our crew team] won it all, won the national championship, set a course record, and there was this friend of mine who came by the house, we were talking, and he said 'you really set yourself up now'. And I say 'What do you mean?', and he says 'This is what people are going to expect' and I say 'Well, yeah, we're not going to hide from that. Better that than mediocrity.' Jeff set a standard - that comes with success."As the search for a new head man begins, one thing that shouldn't make a difference in Gladstone's mind: who an incoming coach has previously coached for - like in the case of former USC head man Pete Carroll or Bears turncoat-cum-Washington assistant Tosh Lupoi, both of whom have had their names tossed around as potential candidates."That would be irrelevant to me. To me, you're hiring the best person available because you want the student athletes to be successful. There are a lot of great life lessons when you're part of a viable team, and so you have to play it absolutely dead on straight. It can't be a political move, it has to be a person in your opinion who'll serve the program, and the student athletes, the best."And what about someone like Boise State's Chris Petersen, another name that has made the rounds: do his healthy ties to the Bay Area (he grew up in NorCal, went to Sacramento City College and UC Davis, and makes frequent trips to Yuba City to visit his father) come into play?"Somebody who's familiar with the territory, from a recruiting standpoint, that could factor into a decision," Gladstone said. "It wouldn't be for sentimental reasons and clearly, it's not going to be something that dictates the successful candidate, but it's something that plays in the decision."So taking everything into account, are there 15 interested coaches now that the position becomes available, or way more than that?"I would summarize it by saying, the Cal job would be incredibly desirable. Here are the barriers that were broken, and I'm not patting myself on the back, but the thought of paying a football coach at Cal a million dollars a year, or over, people just thought there was no conceivable way. And if you don't, you're not going to get a top flight guy, or you're not going to be able to pay him enough. Thanks to Chancellor [Robert] Berdahl, we broke that barrier. We became competitive in terms of salary with the top programs in the conference. Then you look at facilities, they're no longer an issue, and if there's a more desirable place to live.
Interesting
Interesting that Lovie was involved in that. Another interesting name is Michael Silver. Isn't that the guy who bashed Schiano for his Bush League crap?He's not just some yahoo hack writer after all. Very interesting read and very ironic how Telford now comes back into the fold with Lovie after all these years.
Marcus Arroyo, southern miss OC, new Bucs QB coach per football scoop.com via Alex Marvaez and Tim Spencer is the new RBs coach
Found an article from 2005 about Tedford and his QB's...Interesting commments from McKay...I found this aspect of Jeff's development of quarterbacks revealing... I'm certain the offense has matured/changed a bit."...Tedford does an excellent job, it seems, in programming his quarterbacks. He provides them more facile reads by having created a system that, sometimes even before the snap, eliminates half of the field from the pass-progression process. The offense places a high premium on completion percentage, on making the quick and accurate throws, usually in low-risk scenarios, but seems lacking in big plays and in vertical dimension. Regardless as discussed in the last couple paragraphs of the article - athleticism (natural) appears to be a key component... something I'm not sure MG has nailed down. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft05/columns/story?id=2039797 On at least two occasions during his tenure as Tampa Bay Buccaneers general manager, Rich McKay attempted to hire Jeff Tedford as the team's offensive coordinator.McKay doesn't regard it as a slight that he was jilted both times by Tedford, a longtime college offensive coordinator and quarterbacks guru and current coach at the University of California. In fact, McKay, now the general manager of the Atlanta Falcons, seems to take it more as a personal affront when queried about the so-called "Tedford Factor," an allusion to the coach's flawed track record of preparing quarterbacks for the pro game.Star pupils? The five quarterbacks currently in the NFL who were tutored by Jeff Tedford haven't enjoyed very much success. Of the five, none have thrown more TDs than INTs and the highest career passer rating is 72.5:• Trent Dilfer (No. 6 overall pick in 1994 draft by Tampa Bay)113 games (96 starts)1,447-2,620 for 17,031 yds.95 TDs, 105 INTs70.6 QB rating • Akili Smith (No. 3 overall pick in 1999 draft by Cincinnati)22 games (17 starts)215-461 for 2,212 yds.5 TDs, 13 INTs52.8 QB rating • David Carr (No. 1 overall pick in 2002 draft by Houston)44 games (43 starts)685-1,205 for 8,136 yds.34 TDs, 42 INTs72.5 QB rating • Joey Harrington (No. 3 overall pick in 2002 draft by Detroit)46 games (44 starts)798-1,472 for 8,221 yds.48 TDs, 50 INTs67.2 QB rating • Kyle Boller (No. 19 overall pick in 2003 draft by Baltimore)27 games (25 starts)374-688 for 3,819 yds.20 TDs, 20 INTs68.1 QB rating "I think it's really a little bit of a bad rap," said McKay, when asked, during scouting combine workouts two months ago, about the tepid collective performance of Tedford-tutored quarterbacks in the NFL. "With a quarterback, a lot of times it's getting to the right place … and I don't know if that's necessarily been the case for some of his guys."That is the convenient, ready-made lament, however, for many in the legion of personnel directors and scouts who attempt to reconcile the foibles of the five former first-rounders who apprenticed under Tedford in college. It is a fact of life in the NFL that almost every first-round quarterback is selected by a bad team, walks into a less-than-ideal situation, is forced into place as the new cornerstone of a crumbling franchise. Inserted into such dire and dicey circumstances, some of those first-round quarterbacks actually rise above.But not the Tedford Five.Which begs the question of whether Tedford's latest prize pupil, California quarterback Aaron Rodgers, the likely choice of the San Francisco 49ers with the top overall pick in the 2005 NFL draft, will be more productive than the five that preceded him into the league. That quintet – Trent Dilfer (Tampa Bay, 1994), Akili Smith (Cincinnati, 1999), David Carr (Houston, 2002), Joey Harrington (Detroit, 2002) and Kyle Boller (Baltimore, 2003) – has pretty much flopped both aggregately and individually.Their collective record as starters is just 98-127, only a 43.6 winning percentage. The group has combined for a completion percentage of 54.6, thrown more interceptions (230) than touchdown passes (202), and posted an anemic passer (in)efficiency rating of 68.6. Dilfer has earned the only Pro Bowl appearance so far among them and owns the lone title, having shepherded the Ravens to a Super Bowl XXXV victory. Apparently, Dilfer's lone season with the Ravens defined the right place and right time. He was caretaker of a no-frills offense that basically just had to stay out of the way of one of the NFL's most dominating defensive units of all time. Some people feel that Trent Reznor, the front man for Nine Inch Nails, could have presided just as adroitly over the rudimentary offense. Rodgers will find no such supporting cast with the 49ers, whose 2-14 record in 2004 was well-earned. First-year coach Mike Nolan has already suggested that, if San Francisco takes a quarterback with the top choice, the youngster probably will start as a rookie. And that means venturing into an offense that statistically ranked 26th in the league in 2004 and scored the third fewest points, and whose top wide receiver had 47 catches and is now gone via free agency. Joining such a motley crew, it's somehow difficult to imagine Rodgers improving much on the numbers posted so far by the Tedford products. What isn't imaginary is the manner in which Tedford's former students vigorously defend their one-time mentor. "I think it's just a manufactured thing," said Rodgers of the criticisms that the Tedford quarterbacks have never duplicated their college successes in the NFL. "He does a great job of getting you ready. You play in a [sophisticated] offense, learn to make reads, get the chance to get involved in game planning. He gives you the foundation. You can't blame him for what happens after that." Perhaps not. But if you were the dean of a college and everyone enrolled in a certain class received an F, you'd scrutinize the professor even harder than you might the students. Sometimes it's the syllabus, or the curriculum, that's at fault. They might be in the minority, but there are a few NFL personnel chiefs who questions Tedford's methods and how they translate, or perhaps don't transfer, to the pro game. "I have never once been told by an NFL guy that there's something holding one of our quarterbacks back because of fundamentals or technique or lack of learning," Tedford told the San Francisco Chronicle. "They're all competitive. They're all very skilled. We run a complicated offense. [The NFL teams] all get them on the (chalk)board before they ever draft them." True enough, the teams that have drafted Tedford-taught quarterbacks deserve to share in the culpability for their failures. Franchises spend million of dollars preparing for a draft and, given the level of sophistication involved in the process, should certainly be able to make better decisions. For some reason, though, they keep making the same mistakes on Tedford quarterbacks. They buy into the hype, are apparently blinded by numbers, and are enamored by Tedford's alleged tutorial skills. But you have to wonder why teams are so oblivious to the track record and why scouts continue to be dazzled by the spin machine. Consider, for instance, the silly selling point on Boller a few years ago. What was the most intriguing element people kept noting about Boller as the draft drew closer? That from his knees, and 70 yards away, he could throw a football through the goal posts. Yeah, a nifty graphic image as a barometer for arm strength. But far more effective at winning bar bets than football games. In his two seasons as the Baltimore starter, Boller has looked mechanical and robotic and, not surprisingly, those are two adjectives also used to describe Rodgers. “ He does a great job of getting you ready. You play in a [sophisticated] offense, learn to make reads, get the chance to get involved in game planning. He gives you the foundation. You can't blame him for what happens after that. ” —QB Aaron Rodgers, on former coach Jeff Tedford Tedford does an excellent job, it seems, in programming his quarterbacks. He provides them more facile reads by having created a system that, sometimes even before the snap, eliminates half of the field from the pass-progression process. The offense places a high premium on completion percentage, on making the quick and accurate throws, usually in low-risk scenarios, but seems lacking in big plays and in vertical dimension. Funny thing, but Alex Smith of Utah, the other highly regarded quarterback prospect in this draft, is often accused of playing in a "gimmick" offense. But Smith has better stats than Rodgers in terms of completion percentage (66.3-63.8), yards per attempt (8.86-8.22), yards per completion (13.38-12.90) and touchdown pass percentage (8.0-6.5). Plus he is the better of the two at making plays with his feet. Tedford has insisted Rodgers possesses more natural athleticism than his other students who were chosen in the first round. But when you watch Rodgers on tape, he displays all the signature Tedford mechanics, including the manner in which he holds the ball high, up around the ear-hole of his helmet.The technique is known, in Tedford-talk, as putting the ball "on the shelf." It has yet, though, to put any of his pupils on the top shelf among NFL quarterbacks. And the guess is that Rodgers will struggle as much as his predecessors from the Tedford school have in making the transition to the NFL.
Holding the ball near the earhole of the helmet reduces the time from seeing where to throw to and actually releasing the ball. Dan Marino back in the '80's was very consistant with that, and was well-known for his quick release.
