With Tet, he seems ideal as slot, but that’s where Chris Godwin plays - but he may also be a bit of a fit for Mike Evans.
If you’re going for a difference-maker & add a new dimension to the offense, we really need a 9route outside WR. Thats not Tet’s strength.
My guess is that if Tet falls, there would be some lively debate and 1Buc… but I don’t know we’d pull that trigger, but Licht did state if the right offensive player fell, they could make that pick. Depends on if you think that Tetbis the right player. I don’t think so, but anything is possible.
Still think we’re targeting DB’s, maybe ILB, but it depends on who falls. Can’t see any motivation to move up in this draft, and there’s too many teams that reportedly would like to move down, so I don’t expect that to happen either.
This one is harder to pick than most drafts, probably because Licht & Bowles don’t think we’re that the defense is that broken (outside of the secondary).
While a WR is a likely target, just wonder if it’s really that high of a target.
It makes it a lot more fun, can’t wait.
Tet will have a better career than any of the defensive players available at 19... Odds-wise.
You think the odds are in favor of Tet having a better career than any defensive player available at 19? I don't think you understand how odds work, just like football. I'm not sure you understand how anything works. How are you even on the internet right now?
Tet will have a better career than any of the defensive players available at 19... Odds-wise.
You think the odds are in favor of Tet having a better career than any defensive player available at 19? I don't think you understand how odds work, just like football. I'm not sure you understand how anything works. How are you even on the internet right now?
Yes I very much understand odds. Just like I'd say it's safe to say Carter or Hunter will also have a better career than anyone at 19.
I'm putting him in their league. Top 5 pick.
The only thing that could stop him: attitude or injury.
If you'd like to make a bet and you get the bottom half of the league and I get the top 2 or 3 teams to win the super bowl next year... I'm happy to make that bet. Just let me know.
Heheheh…
I'm not sure you understand how anything works.
Again, the irony is rich...
Hall is a plus player, so it's actually 3.
Hall is averaging less than three sacks a year since being drafted as a DE. He had a solid - not plus - season in 2024 grading out as the 92nd overall out of 219 DE's, after two duds to start out with. He isn't a plus-player, yet. He's got some work to do to justify his selection.
Yes I very much understand odds. Just like I'd say it's safe to say Carter or Hunter will also have a better career than anyone at 19.
Using the 1996-2020 drafts, there have only been 4 drafts where any of the first two non QBs drafted had a better PFR wAV than any non QB drafted after 19. That's 16%. Do you actually understand the odds?
Hall is a plus player, so it's actually 3.
Hall is averaging less than three sacks a year since being drafted as a DE. He had a solid - not plus - season in 2024 grading out as the 92nd overall out of 219 DE's, after two duds to start out with. He isn't a plus-player, yet. He's got some work to do to justify his selection.
He had 5.5 last year, give him his credit. And his role isn't as primarily to pass rush. He does the grunt work nobody notices. His ability to shed double teams is impressive. One the Bucs better players.
Five out of the last seven . . ..weak-link on the team?
???
Stunning . . . football . . err . . acumen?
The defense has been better (scoring) than the offense post-Brady, last year being the exception. Actually even in Brady''s last year, right?
So while Brady is here the Bucs defense is top 10 (scoring) in 2020 and 2021 and better than the Brady-led offense in 2022 and better than the Mayfield-led offense of 2023.
But, if you're trying to make an HONEST case that Bowles is the "weak-link" over all those years wouldn't you have to acknowledge that you're saying that about a "DC/HC" (your descriptor) who:
took the almost worst defense in the league (2019) on to win a Super Bowl where the defense played a big role,
and then FOUR division championships . .
all while clearing dead cap and
while hiring of two different OCs a(who went on the OHC) and
and recruiting the "$4 million/1 year" QB who you said WAS WORSE THAN TRASK (bwhahahahahahahahahahaha)
and behind an RB you said was worse than WHITE
That might be a more HONEST assessment, right?
One the Bucs better players.
he seems like he's the new Gholston maybe and that would be great
you two arguing with each other is like a case study in the DISHONEST (out of context) use of stats.
You have threads full of examples.
This is Biggs most recent contribution:
Hall is averaging less than three sacks a year since being drafted as a DE
There has been talk this draft of the Bucs trading back in the 2025 draft. The Hall selection could be relevant. if you recall how it played out. In that 2022 draft, Licht seemed to be more focused on the CAP CONSTRAINED rebuild that was already in view.
They had already drafted Trask and the 2022 draft began as a quest for draft capital. They turned 6 picks into 8 by trading out of the first and, if you recall what Bowles said the Bucs were not focused on Hall as much as they were focused on the additional picks. In fact, Hall was sort of a "what's leftover" selection.
This was Bowles:
“We had a few players at 27 we targeted. Moving back to 33 ... we had one guy left there,” the coach said. “The other ones went off the board, so it wouldn’t have been smart for us to trade back down and leave the guy we wanted.”
The "other ones" means they missed the chance to get Karalaftis and several other potential defensive players and settled on Hall.
I dont think they did much with the new pick either? Maybe the punter was one?
(FWIW, at the time they said Hall was drafted for his positional flexibility, including his ability to move inside because they weren't bringing Suh back, maybe)
(FWIW, at the time they said Hall was drafted for his positional flexibility, including his ability to move inside because they weren't bringing Suh back, maybe)
Looks like if the Bucs dont trade back and get Hall they were focused on several guys, but maybe Suh's replacement most
"Like I said, we had four or five guys that we liked at 27 [and] they were pretty even," said Bowles. "When you have guys like that that's pretty even and somebody wants to come up, you have to be sure that you want to come away with one of them. You don't want to trade back to the 40th pick or the 45th pick and not be able to get anybody. You felt good about all four or five guys; it wasn't just Devonte, there were quite a few guys there we liked. So we were confident we could get one the second day, which we did, and we got some picks in the process."
And I think we had some success DRAFTING FOR NEED later on in that draft to get McCollum, a long, PRESS corner who could play man and zone:
""He was definitely the last corner that we had ranked up in that area and we just thought it was an area of need," said Director of College Scouting Mike Biehl.
There has been talk this draft of the Bucs trading back in the 2025 draft. The Hall selection could be relevant. if you recall how it played out. In that 2022 draft, Licht seemed to be more focused on the CAP CONSTRAINED rebuild that was already in view.
They had already drafted Trask and the 2022 draft began as a quest for draft capital. They turned 6 picks into 8 by trading out of the first and, if you recall what Bowles said the Bucs were not focused on Hall as much as they were focused on the additional picks. In fact, Hall was sort of a "what's leftover" selection.
This was Bowles:
“We had a few players at 27 we targeted. Moving back to 33 ... we had one guy left there,” the coach said. “The other ones went off the board, so it wouldn’t have been smart for us to trade back down and leave the guy we wanted.”
The "other ones" means they missed the chance to get Karalaftis and several other potential defensive players and settled on Hall.
I dont think they did much with the new pick either? Maybe the punter was one?
(FWIW, at the time they said Hall was drafted for his positional flexibility, including his ability to move inside because they weren't bringing Suh back, maybe)
Hall was a fine pick at 33, but when it comes to your point, the problem wasn't trading down, it was how they had their board graded. Kerby Joseph, Trey McBride and Nik Bonitto were available.
With Tet, he seems ideal as slot, but that’s where Chris Godwin plays - but he may also be a bit of a fit for Mike Evans.
If you’re going for a difference-maker & add a new dimension to the offense, we really need a 9route outside WR. Thats not Tet’s strength.
My guess is that if Tet falls, there would be some lively debate and 1Buc… but I don’t know we’d pull that trigger, but Licht did state if the right offensive player fell, they could make that pick. Depends on if you think that Tetbis the right player. I don’t think so, but anything is possible.
Still think we’re targeting DB’s, maybe ILB, but it depends on who falls. Can’t see any motivation to move up in this draft, and there’s too many teams that reportedly would like to move down, so I don’t expect that to happen either.
This one is harder to pick than most drafts, probably because Licht & Bowles don’t think we’re that the defense is that broken (outside of the secondary).
While a WR is a likely target, just wonder if it’s really that high of a target.
It makes it a lot more fun, can’t wait.
It is true the team is looking for a WR that can stretch the field but a utility player like that can be hand later in the draft. Tet would be a hard to pass up given that this offense is heavy on 3 WR sets.
Hall is a plus player, so it's actually 3.
Hall is averaging less than three sacks a year since being drafted as a DE. He had a solid - not plus - season in 2024 grading out as the 92nd overall out of 219 DE's, after two duds to start out with. He isn't a plus-player, yet. He's got some work to do to justify his selection.
He had 5.5 last year, give him his credit. And his role isn't as primarily to pass rush. He does the grunt work nobody notices. His ability to shed double teams is impressive. One the Bucs better players.
I did give him credit. After sucking for two seasons, he was solid last season. But nothing special or a plus-player.
The "grunt work" he does is factored into the 92nd ranking among 219 eligible DE's. And there are people that notice and appreciate it, but you don't use your first selection on grunt-work guy. Those guys can found later or in FA.
Hall was a fine pick at 33, but when it comes to your point, the problem wasn't trading down, it was how they had their board graded. Kerby Joseph, Trey McBride and Nik Bonitto were available.
You're not wrong about the board. But you are wrong in that trading down wasn't a problem. That opportunity cost was George Karlaftis, who has averaged over 8 sacks a season to go along with 8 playoff sacks in three seasons. That's a plus-player that Licht, Bowles, and the rest of the defensive scouting department missed out on.
