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The #1 Question: Can Grizzard be as Good as Coen?

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Because that comment about Canales was SO CONTROVERSIAL (it was not lol),  I will happily take refuge in the words of Canales himself . . .  and, well, Jason Licht

 

"“Well, I have never called plays at the collegiate or NFL level,” Canales said.  “I called plays way, way back. I was a head JV coach in 2004-05"

 

"“Anyway, that’s way back then. But yeah, that was a concern that came up in both interviews with Baltimore and with Todd [Bowles] and Jason [Licht]"

 

Oh and . . . . Bowles (describing Godwin's role in the Coen offense)

 

"Well, this offense will be multiple, but primarily when he [Godwin] succeeds in there in the slot, he's a hell of a blocker," Bucs head coach Todd Bowles said Thursday. "He's great in one-on-one coverage, underneath and down the field. He gives us a lot of options. And you know, with the third receiver, with Trey [Palmer] coming on last year, [Jalen] McMillan coming in this year - you really have to play as honest [and] Chris is kind of the key to that..."

 
Posted : May. 17, 2025 7:37 pm
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Posted by: @ehinote

 

Coen's multi-faceted approach transformed an average offensive line into a top-five unit. Scheme plays a crucial role in the success of an offensive line,

 

Grizzard will have everyone returning, plus the addition of our new first-round draft pick. There will be no excuses—barring an injury to Baker. This team will continue to be driven by our offense, which will either lead us to another division title or fall short.

 

I disagree one thing.  I don't think Coen was more the beneficiary of an improved offensive line than he was the reason for it.  The line spent the previous growing together and then added a first round pick and a key free agent to round it out.  Certainly Coen made some great strides, but without the great O-line he wouldn't have been able to do what he did.  He's got Hainsey penciled in as starting center in Jax.  We'll see how that goes.  Hainsey isn't terrible, but Coen will have to craft an O-line together instead of inheriting one of the best in the league. 

I think the danger of Grizzard is that he'll try to compete with the ghost of Coen instead of competing with the team on the other side of the field.  He's talked about pushing the ball downfield more. A bunch of fancy plays may get some highlights, but it's also a recipe for turnovers, and Mayfield has been known to do that.   What he really needs to do is focus on what Bowles wants him to do, which is hang onto the ball and win games in the 4th quarter.  Grizzard has a tough act to follow, and I worry that he'll try to hard to be a wizard and get away from playing complementary football.  

 

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Posted : May. 17, 2025 7:56 pm
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Posted by: @catherder

Posted by: @ehinote

 

Coen's multi-faceted approach transformed an average offensive line into a top-five unit. Scheme plays a crucial role in the success of an offensive line,

 

Grizzard will have everyone returning, plus the addition of our new first-round draft pick. There will be no excuses—barring an injury to Baker. This team will continue to be driven by our offense, which will either lead us to another division title or fall short.

 

I disagree with one thing.  I DO think Coen was more the beneficiary of an improved offensive line more than he was the reason for it.  The line spent the previous growing together and then added a first round pick and a key free agent to round it out.  Certainly Coen made some great strides, but without the great O-line he wouldn't have been able to do what he did.  He's got Hainsey penciled in as starting center in Jax.  We'll see how that goes.  Hainsey isn't terrible, but Coen will have to craft an O-line together instead of inheriting one of the best in the league. 

I think the danger of Grizzard is that he'll try to compete with the ghost of Coen instead of competing with the team on the other side of the field.  He's talked about pushing the ball downfield more. A bunch of fancy plays may get some highlights, but it's also a recipe for turnovers, and Mayfield has been known to do that.   What he really needs to do is focus on what Bowles wants him to do, which is hang onto the ball and win games in the 4th quarter.  Grizzard has a tough act to follow, and I worry that he'll try to hard to be a wizard and get away from playing complementary football.  

 

Sorry I fixed a mistype here.  

 

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Posted : May. 17, 2025 8:02 pm
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Posted by: @bucsbits

definitely not criticizing. He installed an offense that just copied the Seahawks.

Which is literally what every rookie OC does. 

They'll obviously throw in their own wrinkles. 

And, again, that's what Dave did. 

Not sure how you can claim that Canales wasn't an OC.

 
Posted : May. 17, 2025 8:05 pm
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Posted by: @catherder

What he really needs to do is focus on what Bowles wants him to do

Umm...no. 

 

 
Posted : May. 17, 2025 8:07 pm
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He’s a smart guy, but he’s unproven as a play caller. He knows Coen’s system, which is not dissimilar to Seahawks basics that were introduced by Canales. 

We’ll see if lightning can strike a 3rd time.

I’m standing in sunshine shoes regarding Grizz right now, anxiously awaiting pre-season.

 
Posted : May. 17, 2025 9:03 pm
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Posted by: @white-tiger

I’m standing in sunshine shoes regarding Grizz right now, anxiously awaiting pre-season.

Good or bad, I won’t be overreacting to the preseason. There’s barely any game planning that goes on during the preseason. The regular season is when we’ll see if Grizzard is as clueless as Leftwich or competent like the two that followed Leftwich. 

 
Posted : May. 17, 2025 9:56 pm
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Posted by: @bucsbits

definitely not criticizing. He installed an offense that just copied the Seahawks.

Which is literally what every rookie OC does. 

They'll obviously throw in their own wrinkles. 

And, again, that's what Dave did. 

Not sure how you can claim that Canales wasn't an OC.

Ask Chris Godwin lol

 

 

 
Posted : May. 17, 2025 10:11 pm
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Posted by: @catherder

What he really needs to do is focus on what Bowles wants him to do

Umm...no. 

 

 

Bowles will force him to run the ball

 

like he did Canales

 

 
Posted : May. 17, 2025 10:12 pm
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Posted by: @white-tiger

He’s a smart guy, but he’s unproven as a play caller. He knows Coen’s system, which is not dissimilar to Seahawks basics that were introduced by Canales. 

We’ll see if lightning can strike a 3rd time.

I’m standing in sunshine shoes regarding Grizz right now, anxiously awaiting pre-season.

I think one minor plus for Grizz compared to Canales is that Grizz was apparently the architect of a lot of the 3rd down offense

 

 
Posted : May. 17, 2025 10:14 pm
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Agreed. That got me to put these shoes on in the first place.

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