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oen is the most overrated Bucs player or coach in franchise history.

As you polish Todd's bust in preparation of his induction into the JC HoF. 

I'm assuming Freeman will be giving the intro speech, barring he's sober?

I don't see him as a HOF inductor. I see him as more of the queen of the haters ball.

And he's obsessed with Coen and White 

 

 
Posted : May. 18, 2025 10:38 pm
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oen is the most overrated Bucs player or coach in franchise history.

As you polish Todd's bust in preparation of his induction into the JC HoF. 

I'm assuming Freeman will be giving the intro speech, barring he's sober?

I don't see him as a HOF inductor. I see him as more of the queen of the haters ball.

And he's obsessed with Coen and White 

 

I've laid out a pretty damn good case for White being exiled out of the offense. 

 

 
Posted : May. 19, 2025 8:23 am
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I've laid out a pretty damn good case for White being exiled out of the offense. 

Agreed. That's why you've been so successful in persuading everyone over to your side of the debate.

 
Posted : May. 19, 2025 8:59 am
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Posted by: @jc5100

I've laid out a pretty damn good case for White being exiled out of the offense

Even if you accept that as true (lol), it does not follow that "Emmitt Smith" should have replaced him in 2024 (your point) or that Coen is "most overrated in history" for not running the ball even more than the Bucs did (your other point) in 2024.

 

Those points were just repackaged versions of your every season (yawn) troll that always goes something like this. . . "I was actually a GM so let me tell you what you what the entire world is missing about (insert name) . ."

Jason Licht was actually incompetent

Scotty Miller was really the underplayed MVP

Tucker is actually Emmitt Smith

Coen was actually overrated

Mike Glennon . .

etc

etc

 

All supported with insane, out of context faux stats like "Sean Tucker has a 12.3 ypc average  . . . . when he's properly run off left guard . .  so Coen is "overrated" for NOT realizing that and passing the ball instead of having Tucker in and running that off left guard play 33 times in the game."

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Posted : May. 19, 2025 9:26 am
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I've laid out a pretty damn good case for White being exiled out of the offense. 

Agreed. That's why you've been so successful in persuading everyone over to your side of the debate.

Can only provide the analytics and they're overwhelming against White. 

 

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Posted : May. 19, 2025 10:22 am
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Posted by: @jc5100

I've laid out a pretty damn good case for White being exiled out of the offense. 

Agreed. That's why you've been so successful in persuading everyone over to your side of the debate.

Can only provide the analytics and they're overwhelming against White. 

Were these the same analytics that told you Speedy Scotty Miller was the secret sauce the offense?

As always, the analytics aren't the problem. The poor analysis offered with those analytics are the problem - time and time again.

 

 
Posted : May. 19, 2025 10:27 am
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I've laid out a pretty damn good case for White being exiled out of the offense. 

Agreed. That's why you've been so successful in persuading everyone over to your side of the debate.

Can only provide the analytics and they're overwhelming against White. 

Were these the same analytics that told you Speedy Scotty Miller was the secret sauce the offense?

As always, the analytics aren't the problem. The poor analysis offered with those analytics are the problem - time and time again.

 

What's the poor analysis?

 

 
Posted : May. 19, 2025 11:49 am
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What's the poor analysis?

In a nutshell?

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I've laid out a pretty damn good case for White being exiled out of the offense. 

 

 
Posted : May. 19, 2025 11:56 am
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What's the poor analysis?

In a nutshell?

Posted by: @jc5100

I've laid out a pretty damn good case for White being exiled out of the offense. 

 

When it comes to the running back usage and last year's play calling. 

 

 
Posted : May. 19, 2025 11:59 am
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What's the poor analysis?

In a nutshell?

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I've laid out a pretty damn good case for White being exiled out of the offense. 

 

When it comes to the running back usage and last year's play calling. 

 

Sure, and this is continued poor analysis on your part. You haven't been able to convince one solitary person to come over to your side of the debate. That should tell you something.

And that "something" isn't that everybody else, on this board and at OBP, is an idiot while you've got it figured out.

 

 
Posted : May. 19, 2025 1:02 pm
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Couple things, Leftwich yea idk he ran the same swing lead with lenny all year that year. Also I think it was reported Bowles asked him to watch more of the college game and I think he didn't, which is pretty bad if your boss is asking you to do something and you dont.

 

Canales I liked, I love running the ball and playing strong defense, and it worked out well for us that year, we won the division and won a playoff game where we didn't with our stronger offense.

Coen and Grizzard are probably gonna run similar offenese, I'm not too worried the philosophy for them is to move the ball an score tds whereas Canales was playing for ball control because he didn't necessarily have all the answers being green, part of learning and you can see him get better at Carolina. He only knew one system and it wasn't necessarily a highflying one whereas Coen and Grizzard has that experience especially being under mcvay, a guy who probably does have a lot of answers and can teach.

 
Posted : May. 19, 2025 1:06 pm
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What's the poor analysis?

In a nutshell?

Posted by: @jc5100

I've laid out a pretty damn good case for White being exiled out of the offense. 

 

When it comes to the running back usage and last year's play calling. 

 

Sure, and this is continued poor analysis on your part. You haven't been able to convince one solitary person to come over to your side of the debate. That should tell you something.

And that "something" isn't that everybody else, on this board and at OBP, is an idiot while you've got it figured out.

 

I'll ask again, what's the poor analysis?

 

 
Posted : May. 19, 2025 1:15 pm
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Posted by: @jc5100

I'll ask again, what's the poor analysis?

I suppose I'll answer again

Posted by: @jc5100

I've laid out a pretty damn good case for White being exiled out of the offense. 

In case that wasn't sufficient enough, here it is again for the third time:

Posted by: @jc5100

I've laid out a pretty damn good case for White being exiled out of the offense. 

 
Posted : May. 19, 2025 1:25 pm
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That's not an answer. White got too many carries. Tucker didn't get enough carries. Coen didn't run the ball enough with Irving and Tucker. White is worthless to the offense, his receiving skills don't matter. 

 
Posted : May. 19, 2025 1:28 pm
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That's not an answer. White got too many carries. Tucker didn't get enough carries. Coen didn't run the ball enough with Irving and Tucker. White is worthless to the offense, his receiving skills don't matter. 

Of course, it's an answer. The rest of your post are also acceptable answers to the question. Feel free to keep giving more examples of your poor analysis.

 

 
Posted : May. 19, 2025 1:53 pm
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