If you rewatch the Eagles first TD drive you'll see Vea pop off the screen, one play just stopping up the lane and another splitting the Eagles O line to force the runner back.
Unfortunately you'll also see KJ Britt stopping his pursuit of Hurst on the TD and other bad plays.
In fact just after the half the Eagles have a 59 yard run. You see Diaby lose the edge way too easily inside but then Britt stays inside and is easily blocked. Britt is a real liability so far
"The Buccaneers generated their highest pressure rate (48.6%) in a game since Week 6, 2021, which was also against the Eagles. The Buccaneers were effective on blitzes, recording eight pressures and four sacks on 15 blitzes. Lavonte David had two sacks and four pressures on eight pass rushes. On the season, David has nine pressures, second-most on the Buccaneers and most among off-ball linebackers in the NFL through the early slate of Week 4."
Saquan had 84 yards rushing, the other 59 yards came on 2 pass plays. And aside from a 38 yarder he broke…Vita stopped their attempts up the middle, and contributed a sack. It’s all they had and that’s (84 yards) is pretty much all Philly got.Bucs didn't keep Barkley in check. He had 116 yards on 12 touches...
Imagine us playing a game without Wirfs, Evans and Godwin. That's what happened yesterday.
Defense kept handing 3 and outs.
8.4 yards per carry is 84 yards, 59 of those rushing yards came in one play - which kinda means we kept him in check.Bucs didn't keep Barkley in check. He had 116 yards on 12 touches...
FFPTs - 33.2, 17.6, 33.6. . . . 13.6
Point, his running was subpar (for him, this year) and his receiving about average. He is a special talent BUT:
Score: 33-16
They did keep him in check, as much as anyone can keep him in check
he had similar stats when they BARELY lost to the falcons so the absence of the other players certainly plays a big part, so certainly agree there BUT the Bucs implemented their game plan yesterday, imposed their will on the Eagles, so give credit where due.
He had 8.4 yards per carry...
Combined with the Bucs having a fantastic passing game attack (and Ohilky having none) - this was a great TEAM effort.
Bucs didn't keep Barkley in check. He had 116 yards on 12 touches...
FFPTs - 33.2, 17.6, 33.6. . . . 13.6
Point, his running was subpar (for him, this year) and his receiving about average. He is a special talent BUT:
Score: 33-16
They did keep him in check, as much as anyone can keep him in check
he had similar stats when they BARELY lost to the falcons so the absence of the other players certainly plays a big part, so certainly agree there BUT the Bucs implemented their game plan yesterday, imposed their will on the Eagles, so give credit where due.
He had 8.4 yards per carry...
60 came on one carry so obviously the average is going to be skewed.
He had 8.4 yards per carry...
the overhyping of Barkley's performance without context?
for shame lol
Bucs didn't keep Barkley in check. He had 116 yards on 12 touches...
FFPTs - 33.2, 17.6, 33.6. . . . 13.6
Point, his running was subpar (for him, this year) and his receiving about average. He is a special talent BUT:
Score: 33-16
They did keep him in check, as much as anyone can keep him in check
he had similar stats when they BARELY lost to the falcons so the absence of the other players certainly plays a big part, so certainly agree there BUT the Bucs implemented their game plan yesterday, imposed their will on the Eagles, so give credit where due.
He had 8.4 yards per carry...
60 came on one carry so obviously the average is going to be skewed.
That’s how averages work. You don’t get to pick and choose what plays to count.
Bucs didn't keep Barkley in check. He had 116 yards on 12 touches...
FFPTs - 33.2, 17.6, 33.6. . . . 13.6
Point, his running was subpar (for him, this year) and his receiving about average. He is a special talent BUT:
Score: 33-16
They did keep him in check, as much as anyone can keep him in check
he had similar stats when they BARELY lost to the falcons so the absence of the other players certainly plays a big part, so certainly agree there BUT the Bucs implemented their game plan yesterday, imposed their will on the Eagles, so give credit where due.
He had 8.4 yards per carry...
60 came on one carry so obviously the average is going to be skewed.
That’s how averages work. You don’t get to pick and choose what plays to count.
I mean, the one where he got 50% of his yardage on one carry, he had a hole the size of I-95 to run through (along with a LB who bit on pursuit).
Yup. There are people who understand and can analyze the game, and then there are people who cannot.
Bucs didn't keep Barkley in check. He had 116 yards on 12 touches...
FFPTs - 33.2, 17.6, 33.6. . . . 13.6
Point, his running was subpar (for him, this year) and his receiving about average. He is a special talent BUT:
Score: 33-16
They did keep him in check, as much as anyone can keep him in check
he had similar stats when they BARELY lost to the falcons so the absence of the other players certainly plays a big part, so certainly agree there BUT the Bucs implemented their game plan yesterday, imposed their will on the Eagles, so give credit where due.
He had 8.4 yards per carry...
60 came on one carry so obviously the average is going to be skewed.
That’s how averages work. You don’t get to pick and choose what plays to count.
Most of Bucky's big runs though are coming from unconventional running plays. There are more gadget type runs that involve White in the formation which creates some sort of delay reaction from defenses. I like Bucky too but I'm not ready to turn the page on White until they fix the iOL. We need to see Bucky producing on similar run plays when White is not on the field or being used as a decoy
All of them have.
When you take away all his gadget runs, he’s averaging well less than 4.0ypc.
Bucs didn't keep Barkley in check. He had 116 yards on 12 touches...
FFPTs - 33.2, 17.6, 33.6. . . . 13.6
Point, his running was subpar (for him, this year) and his receiving about average. He is a special talent BUT:
Score: 33-16
They did keep him in check, as much as anyone can keep him in check
he had similar stats when they BARELY lost to the falcons so the absence of the other players certainly plays a big part, so certainly agree there BUT the Bucs implemented their game plan yesterday, imposed their will on the Eagles, so give credit where due.
He had 8.4 yards per carry...
60 came on one carry so obviously the average is going to be skewed.
That’s how averages work. You don’t get to pick and choose what plays to count.
I'm aware of that. My point is a 60 yard run where a RB isn't touched until he's pushed out of bounds is more of a fluke than anything else. Aside of that run he didnt do much of anything.
I'm aware of that. My point is a 60 yard run where a RB isn't touched until he's pushed out of bounds is more of a fluke than anything else. Aside of that run he didnt do much of anything.
Yeah, I think if the qualifier “mostly” shut down was used, there wouldn’t have been much push back.
I'm aware of that. My point is a 60 yard run where a RB isn't touched until he's pushed out of bounds is more of a fluke than anything else. Aside of that run he didnt do much of anything.
Yeah, I think if the qualifier “mostly” shut down was used, there wouldn’t have been much push back.
its someone else's fault
classic
Bucs didn't keep Barkley in check. He had 116 yards on 12 touches...
FFPTs - 33.2, 17.6, 33.6. . . . 13.6
Point, his running was subpar (for him, this year) and his receiving about average. He is a special talent BUT:
Score: 33-16
They did keep him in check, as much as anyone can keep him in check
he had similar stats when they BARELY lost to the falcons so the absence of the other players certainly plays a big part, so certainly agree there BUT the Bucs implemented their game plan yesterday, imposed their will on the Eagles, so give credit where due.
He had 8.4 yards per carry...
60 came on one carry so obviously the average is going to be skewed.
That’s how averages work. You don’t get to pick and choose what plays to count.
Actually, you can. I think it's called 'trimmed mean,' though I think there are other names for it, or other methods that eliminate outlier datapoints in order to calculate the mean/average.
A quick example would be: a player rushes ten times, 9 times he runs for around 1 yard, but on the 10th rush, he runs 91 yards. So his raw rushing yards per carry would be 10yds/carry. Unfortunately, that result doesn't get us anywhere near what he actually ran for on any rush since he never ran for anything close to 10 yards during any carry, which would make the information useless if the information we want is "what was the player's average yards/carry?"
One of the accepted methods for dealing with outlier data is to trim the greatest/least outliers and calculate the average from the remaining datapoints. In the example, we'd set aside the least/greatest outliers (one of each, if necessary) which would get us an average rush of about 1 yard, which is a much more accurate description of what the player actually did on the field and would be much more useful in any future calculations of the player's performances down the road.
There are other methods for dealing with outliers, such as Winsorized Mean calculation, which replaces extreme values with less extreme percentiles rather than completely removing them. Unlike the arithmetic mean, which considers all data points equally, the winsorized mean limits the influence of extreme values that can distort the overall result.
Anyway, in this case, it would be acceptable to remove the 60 yd rush (and the worst rush, if necessary), for the purpose of trying to more accurately calculate the player's rush yds/carry, in context of this game's performance by Saquon, as it was the greatest outlier, and skews the data to the point of making it unusable for the purpose intended. And when we do so, we arrive at a trimmed mean result of about 1 yd/carry, which is of course much closer to what he actually did on the field, and we just note the outlier 60 yarder as an exception.
Actually, you can. I think it's called 'trimmed mean,' though I think there are other names for it, or other methods that eliminate outlier datapoints in order to calculate the mean/average.
Can you show me where this is the standard policy in football? Median and mode aren't a thing in football, while mean is.
Hell, can Philly fans take away a couple of his short/lost-yardage runs to rationalize him doing better than he did? I'm guessing not.
Anyway, in this case, it would be acceptable to remove the 60 yd rush (and the worst rush, if necessary), for the purpose of trying to more accurately calculate the player's rush yds/carry, in context of this game's performance by Saquon, as it was the greatest outlier, and skews the data to the point of making it unusable for the purpose intended. And when we do so, we arrive at a trimmed mean result of about 1 yd/carry, which is of course much closer to what he actually did on the field, and we just note the outlier 60 yarder as an exception.
Is it acceptable to remove Baker Mayfield longest pass completion when trying to rationalize he doesn't push the ball down the field enough or dumps it off too much?
Is it acceptable to remove Chris Godwin's longest pass reception when trying to rationalize he doesn't go deep enough or break enough tackles?
These aren't arguments I'm making. I'm simply highlighting that it's kinda foolish to make arguments like it. Saquan Barkley's YPC is his YPC. Baker Mayfield's YPA is his YPA. Chris Godwin's YPR is his YPR.
