Fobyouvreally think it's a wise idea to give the HC complete control over personnel? Not too many examples off that working out!
It's become a little more common lately. I know Pete Carroll and Andy Reid have similar situations. But, yes, we all know it didn't work out very well when Jon Gruden has his own guy picking the players the coaches wanted.
Absolute power corrupts absolutely... even in the NFL. How willing a HC is to listen to his staff, who must NOT be a bunch of "yes" men, is the key. Lovie seems to have great respect for his OC, the first guy he hired. But yes, the potential for disaster is there. My impression with Gruden was he was very impulsive, making it easy to get in trouble with personnel. Lovie appears more reflective, more likely to talk things thru, get feedback and actually LISTEN to advice and ideas presented to him before acting. Time will tell...
Lovie should have final say over EVERYTHING. haha.
NOT a fan of it...just like NotDeadYet said..."Absolute power corrupts absolutely"I fear this is going to blow up in our face...
Pretty sure plenty of people have been talking about it
Someone said that the Glazers offered it without being asked. I find that difficult to believe. It's my understanding that Lovie had players forced on him in Chicago in an effort to improve his abysmal offense. Guess that's no longer an option.
my understanding that Lovie had players forced on him in Chicago in an effort to improve his abysmal offense.
Got a link Illuminator?
I would normally be opposed to it but not with Lovie. I trust him to do what's right for the team. It is very common nowadays for top tier coaches to demand full roster control so we really aren't setting any precedent. It also gives us a chance to groom an inexperienced GM without the risk of them screwing up the team during their OJT.
Someone said that the Glazers offered it without being asked. I find that difficult to believe. It's my understanding that Lovie had players forced on him in Chicago in an effort to improve his abysmal offense. Guess that's no longer an option.
Haha! You can tell Bucfucious is pumped about this Lovie thing Lol.
The Bears missed the playoffs in five of Smith's final six seasons after a post-Super Bowl power play when Smith began exerting the type of influence the Bucs just granted him. It was February 2007 when Smith, armed with a new contract, proclaimed "trust me'' after firing defensive coordinator Ron Rivera. A month later, Smith pushed to acquire safety Adam Archuleta. Later, he endorsed Devin Hester as a No. 1 wide receiver. Lest we forget linebacker Jamar Williams, who supposedly made Lance Briggs expendable.The good easily outweighed the bad as Smith went 84-66 for the Bears, but thinking his coaching expertise expanded into player personnel marked the beginning of the end. Of all the valuable things Smith learned during his one-year sabbatical watching football in his basement and getting paid $5 million by the McCaskeys, realizing his limits as an NFL head coach wasn't among them. As he spoke about assembling a staff and adjusting his scheme around cornerback Darrelle Revis, Smith sounded like a guy whose to-do list included finding a general manager to groom. Who wouldn't want to hire his boss? http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2014-01-06/sports/ct-lovie-smith-bucs-haugh-spt-0107-20140107_1_jackson-smith-lovie-smith-bryan-glazer
"The Tampa Bay Buccaneers should be a relevant team,'' Smith proclaimed.Even Smith's toughest critics in Chicago must concede he brings the Bucs closer to being one. left that part out . . . . the ending
No I didn't leave anything out. I provided the link. What's highlighted is related to Lovie and the GM structure which in case you haven't noticed has nothing to do w/ what you just posted and is directly relevant to the topic of this discussion.
No I didn't leave anything out. I provided the link. What's highlighted is related to Lovie and the GM structure which in case you haven't noticed has nothing to do w/ what you just posted and is directly relevant to the topic of this discussion.
lol . . .right
http://espn.go.com/blog/tampa-bay-buccaneers/post/_/id/2744/buccaneers-need-balance-of-power Pat agrees...TAMPA, Fla. -- I like just about everything the Tampa Bay Buccaneers have done in the last week. But there's one notable exception. I think they're making a mistake in giving coach Lovie Smith final say over the 53-man roster. That's kind of like walking a tightrope without a net. I'm not saying a coach shouldn't have a lot of say in personnel matters. But I think a general manager should have a voice that's at least equal. The Bucs don't have a general manager yet. Kansas City Chiefs executive Chris Ballard reportedly is the favorite. Ballard and Smith worked together in Chicago, and Smith said all the right things when asked about the coach-general manager dynamic Monday. "First off, I look at it as a marriage and as a big group making the decision," Smith said. "Of course, as a head football coach, most things stop at your doorstep. As you know, we don't have a general manager in place yet. Once our owners decide who, exactly, will be in that role, I look forward to getting with them and making decisions together that are going to lead us to a championship." That sounds good, but Smith's contract reportedly has a clause that gives him final say. I think you need a system that includes checks and balances. I've covered a variety of setups through the years. But the two most successful were coach Tony Dungy and general manager Rich McKay in Tampa Bay, and coach John Fox and general manager Marty Hurney in Carolina. In both situations, there was an equal partnership. Dungy and McKay used to like to say their choices never came down to a final say because they always reached a consensus that included input from other members of the coaching staff and front office. Hurney and Fox used to say that they disagreed on a fair amount of things. When they didn't see eye to eye on an option, they didn't take it. Instead, they would go with another option that both were content with. We'll see what happens when the Bucs name a general manager. But the best thing Smith can do with that general manager is to look at him as a teammate, not an underling.
