Wasn't it Josh McDaniels? If you really want to know I can ask some of my wife's family. They follow the Psts like we do the Bucs.
Thanks; that would make sense. Of course now I wonder how McDaniel persuaded Belichick. Sure; go ahead and ask'em. ;D
Asked my brother in law who is a rabid Pats fan and is actually a HS coach so he knows more than most about coaching schemes. This was his reply: well, it all started with McDaniels and Bill O'Brien but a lot of the concepts they do now is from chip kelly. Not so much the run game, but the passing concepts is a lot like chip's
And regarding Denver, I'm fairly sure it was John Elway's decision to bring in Manning, not John Fox's. And Manning was already pretty much his own OC... ;D I'd be real curious to know how Belichick got sold on the spread-style offense they use in New England...
Well that is why you want a GM running things not a head coach - although I doubt Fox was overly enamored with the non-Manning options on his roster. Still, why do both guys adapt? They have QB's that they can win with and not choke away games. Mike Smith is another guy people forget was a defensive coach and when he started, in Ryan's rookie year they were 29th in pass attempts and 2nd in rushes. As Ryan has grown that team has become a passing team.
Offense is King, in the new flag football league.Be forward thinking Glazers, don't hire a archaic defensive minded coach, in a league geared towards offense. Hire a creative offensive minded coach. If you hire a strong defensive minded coach and he hires a good coordinator that coordinator may be gone in 1-2 seasons if the offense produces. Then the Defensive minded coach is always searching for a good coordinator, hire a good creative offensive coach and you won't have to worry about that issue.Don't get all nostalgic trying to re create the Bucs glory years as that defense will never be duplicated, and in the modern game you need points to win games.GB, Philly, New Orleans, San Fran are all in the playoffs with offensive minded head coaches who call their own plays. The 2 "defensive minded" head coaches in the NFC who are in the playoffs have above average QB's leading their teams with dominant defenses. The Bucs have a below average QB, and a sometimes average defense...not a good formula for a defensive minded head coach.
The same OC that had the 32nd ranked offense this year (Sullivan) had and offense ranked in the 10-15 range last year (I think?), same players really just a few more healthy. The Bucs lost last year primarily because of poor defense, not as much because of offense.The point: unless you have an elite QB (big caveat), it does not take a lot to have a competent offense, enough of an offense to get to the playoffs . . . so long as you have a good defense. Right now, the best part of our team is our defense, improving that and RESTORING a competent offense with a decent QB and a good running attack, is what turns around the team's fortunes quickest, not an "offensive-minded coach." Even with recent rule changes, HALF of the playoff teams are teams that lead with defense (or defense and running games, as much as some hate that) -- the Chiefs, Bengals and Seahawks and 49ers are defense-first teams with good (not necessarily great) offenses. As one example, the Seahawks are a favorite and they have a bottom tier passing game BUT a great defense and a running game. Even the Saints have returned to the playoff with very good defense . . . and the one team right on the outside looking in, the Cardinals, led with a top 5ish defense and an offense that was 12 or 13, I think.Offense is exciting, but tough to be great at unless you have a top tier QB. Defense is still a key.
The same OC that had the 32nd ranked offense this year (Sullivan) had and offense ranked in the 10-15 range last year (I think?), same players really just a few more healthy. The Bucs lost last year primarily because of poor defense, not as much because of offense.The point: unless you have an elite QB (big caveat), it does not take a lot to have a competent offense, enough of an offense to get to the playoffs . . . so long as you have a good defense. Right now, the best part of our team is our defense, improving that and RESTORING a competent offense with a decent QB and a good running attack, is what turns around the team's fortunes quickest, not an "offensive-minded coach." Even with recent rule changes, HALF of the playoff teams are teams that lead with defense (or defense and running games, as much as some hate that) -- the Chiefs, Bengals and Seahawks and 49ers are defense-first teams with good (not necessarily great) offenses. As one example, the Seahawks are a favorite and they have a bottom tier passing game BUT a great defense and a running game. Even the Saints have returned to the playoff with very good defense . . . and the one team right on the outside looking in, the Cardinals, led with a top 5ish defense and an offense that was 12 or 13, I think.Offense is exciting, but tough to be great at unless you have a top tier QB. Defense is still a key.
I only focused on the NFC since those are the teams the Bucs will compete with.In the AFC Denver has Peyton calling the plays, before that Fox did well leading them to the playoffs with a good D & special teams. Patriots have a defensive minded hc with a HOFer at QB. Colts have a defense first coach with a up and coming QB. Bengals have a defense first HC. But both SD & KC have offense first head coaches. KC also has a HC who calls his own plays. I'd like the Bucs to be forward thinking and go for an offensive coach since that is what the league is geared towards, good defenses compliment teams like KC, Cincy & San Fran but offense is what gets it done in the new NFL. But you are right you need a QB, and having a competent one will take you far.
I think a good combination would be a defensive minded coach, someone who will hold everyone (even the probowlers) accountable and an OC who is more in tune with the new style of open offence being run these days. Let the HC worry about the defense and the over all discipline and let the OC have complete control over the offence
I think a good combination would be a defensive minded coach, someone who will hold everyone (even the probowlers) accountable and an OC who is more in tune with the new style of open offence being run these days. Let the HC worry about the defense and the over all discipline and let the OC have complete control over the offence
The only problem is anytime you get a stud offensive coordinator he's with the team maybe 1-2 seasons then gets hired away. If the HC is also the playcaller and he's good at it, you don't have to worry about him leaving.
I think a good combination would be a defensive minded coach, someone who will hold everyone (even the probowlers) accountable and an OC who is more in tune with the new style of open offence being run these days. Let the HC worry about the defense and the over all discipline and let the OC have complete control over the offence
The only problem is anytime you get a stud offensive coordinator he's with the team maybe 1-2 seasons then gets hired away. If the HC is also the playcaller and he's good at it, you don't have to worry about him leaving.
true, but you can make the same argument the other way as well, get a great DC and he will be hired away ever 1-2 seasons. i just think having a offence that is run by the OC rather than the HC is better. The offence, in my opinion, needs a full time person over seeing it, not someone who also has to deal with the day to day issues of coaching the complete team.
I think a good combination would be a defensive minded coach, someone who will hold everyone (even the probowlers) accountable and an OC who is more in tune with the new style of open offence being run these days. Let the HC worry about the defense and the over all discipline and let the OC have complete control over the offence
The only problem is anytime you get a stud offensive coordinator he's with the team maybe 1-2 seasons then gets hired away. If the HC is also the playcaller and he's good at it, you don't have to worry about him leaving.
true, but you can make the same argument the other way as well, get a great DC and he will be hired away ever 1-2 seasons. i just think having a offence that is run by the OC rather than the HC is better. The offence, in my opinion, needs a full time person over seeing it, not someone who also has to deal with the day to day issues of coaching the complete team.
It could work either way. Look at Rex Ryan a successful Defensive coordinator, who is offensively challenged. Went 8-8 with less talent than Schiano had, he's gone thru quite a few offensive guys, but his defense keeps his team in games. Give Ryan and the jets a competent QB and they'd be in the playoffs every year, so trust me I can see it both ways. I just prefer offense in a HC in the new pass happy league.
we are not far off in some areas , truthfully we dont know how good we are bc we such a terrible staff here and underutilized just about every defensive and offensive player we had. i mean think about it. we had adrian clayborn shadowing darren sproles.....wtf is wrong with this staff. it just shows the incompetence. i cant wait till they fire sully and sheridan. guy is so confident in his scheme yet wont change while we are getting picked apart. i think you will see a much better defense next yr. and hopefully we bring in a good offensive guy bc this team has some weapons like doug martin who i still wasnt used to his strengths and also having a qb friendly offense without this timing bull crap
I think a good combination would be a defensive minded coach, someone who will hold everyone (even the probowlers) accountable and an OC who is more in tune with the new style of open offence being run these days. Let the HC worry about the defense and the over all discipline and let the OC have complete control over the offence
The only problem is anytime you get a stud offensive coordinator he's with the team maybe 1-2 seasons then gets hired away. If the HC is also the playcaller and he's good at it, you don't have to worry about him leaving.
true, but you can make the same argument the other way as well, get a great DC and he will be hired away ever 1-2 seasons. i just think having a offence that is run by the OC rather than the HC is better. The offence, in my opinion, needs a full time person over seeing it, not someone who also has to deal with the day to day issues of coaching the complete team.
It could work either way. Look at Rex Ryan a successful Defensive coordinator, who is offensively challenged. Went 8-8 with less talent than Schiano had, he's gone thru quite a few offensive guys, but his defense keeps his team in games. Give Ryan and the jets a competent QB and they'd be in the playoffs every year, so trust me I can see it both ways. I just prefer offense in a HC in the new pass happy league.
very good point, he got the Jets to the playoffs twice with Sanchez, that says something
Half the playoff teams are dominant defensive teams, half offense. A dominant offense is centered on one rare individual, defense is not. I think many are overplaying the "offense is king" argument.
Absolutely.
I can understand wanting an offensive minded coach (I sure as hell wanted one) but as it's looking right now like we're gonna go with Lovie. As for the good OC only lasting for 1-2 years that's a good problem to have, and it definitely goes both ways. Seattle lost their DC last yr and might lose their current DC & OC this upcoming yr. Coordinators set the foundation for the team, once that's set successfully you just use the "next man up" process. OC gets hired then the QB coach (if he stays) is the new OC (i.e Packers), DC gets hired then the position coach (depending on the strength of the defense) gets hired (i.e Ravens).
Half the playoff teams are dominant defensive teams, half offense. A dominant offense is centered on one rare individual, defense is not. I think many are overplaying the "offense is king" argument.
Absolutely.
Dominant offense can get you to the playoffs, but the team who's defense plays the best goes to the big game. Eagles Saints will come down to defense. San Fran has the better defense so I fully expect them to beat Green Bay.
