Let me explain to you how a fan normally feels in a losing situation. In New Orleans, when their team sucks they put bags over their heads and call themselves the "Aint's. The Bengals are the "Bungles". The Jets are the "Jests" or whatever. These teams have endured more than their fair share of losing, and their fans know the misery of being one of the leagues frequent bottom dwellers. But I guess they haven't endured as much trauma as we have here in Tampa Bay. Here some Bucs fans have apparently gone through so much that they have learned to enjoy losing! They've become so accustomed to taking it up the rear that they say "Wouldn't hate it" if it happens again.Wouldn’t hate it
would put us in a good position for Caleb Williams or drake maye!
Let me give you a refresher about life in the NFL: LOSING SUCKS!
If the Bucs go 4-13 it won't be a neat and tidy situation where we all are "Well lets just endure it so we can get get a good QB!" No. If that's what happens it will be messy. There will be a lot of wailing and gnashing of teeth. There will be turmoil. There will be ugliness. There will be destruction. And there will be a long process to get back to respectability (if you get back to respectability) which will involve a lot more than just drafting a QB. It will be bad for the team. It will be a bad time for Bucs fans.
So Debucs and those of your similar mindset, which there are some on this board, you need to think twice before you start wishing for something or even saying "Wouldn't hate it." You just don't have a realistic idea of what going 4-13 entails. If it happens it happens, but there will be nothing enjoyable about it.
You just don't have a realistic idea of what going 4-13 entails. If it happens it happens, but there will be nothing enjoyable about it.
The 1996 season was one of the best. The Bucs went 6-10, starting 0-5. Hell, 1978 (or maybe it was 79) was pretty awesome. The Bucs won maybe 5 games
The common thread in those two seasons is turning things around, which I think was part of the point that you originally responded to (not sure).
For some reason, today's fans seem to look at each year as a different team or different event. One of the best thing about being a Buc fan for years has been watching the team build itself up and overcome. Most of today's Bucs fans (myself included) talk most often about the 1997-2002 team, as sort of the Bucs first good team, with Dungy turning things around (1996) and Gruden capping things off. But, McKay took the Bucs from winless for two season to the NFC Championship game. It was spectacular to watch some of the players succeed
Point: no one likes a losing season, but if you're an actual fan losing seasons are part of the journey and many times the start of something better, which, again, is sort of the point of the "would put us in a good position for Caleb Williams or drake maye" comment.
The 1995 draft transformed the Buccaneers. I don't recall but my guess is the 1994 season the Bucs probably had a handful of wins.
There is very little to be optimistic about unless Mayfield all of a sudden becomes the QB that everyone thought we was when drafted - throw in an untested new O.C. --- too many people think the Bucs are going to be similar to Seattle Seahawks and Geno Smith 2022.
@catherder wouldn’t enjoy it.
getting a franchise qb would make us more competitive then not.
they don’t grow on trees. We as Bucs fans know this.
nba has a lottery. Tanking doesn’t make sense.
NHL & MLB has very few can’t miss prospects.
NFL is no exception. Most first round qbs bust or are average or slightly above average.
I’ll take my chances with 1 bad year & taking a shot in a deep QB class with a top 10 pick rather then win 6-8 wins & lose in the playoffs.
could we win a sb with baker or trask?
sure. Hypothetically. I wouldn’t bet on it.
quarterback is the most important position in team sports. Look who makes the playoffs year in and year out.
drew Brees. Aaron dodgers. Peyton manning. Tom Brady. Patrick mahomes. Joe burrow.
coincidence? Nope.
sure there are Trent dilfers Brad Johnsons joe flaccos Nick foles that win sbs.
have elite coaching and or talent around them
with Bowles? That’s not us. Not this year, unfortunately.
78 was a five win season after winning 2 the year before 96 was Dungy's first season. That was the 12th straight losing season. Hard to believe. Looking back, we know it was the first season of Tony Dungy so we can appreciate the positive aspect of that and the strong finish. Personally I had just moved to the area a couple years before that. I didn't have to endure that losing streak as a fan. I don't know how long time fans really felt about that season. That was about finally turning things around after a long losing period. But this is different. We are Champa Bay. But this is still essentially the same team, same head coach. If they are turning around they still have to go down before they go up.
All this talk in the media and fans about a soft rebuild, Licht has a plan, fans will be happy to think about the Superbowl trophy and not worry too much about losing... this is all bullcrap! This is not a rebuilding team. Fans will not gracefully accept a 4-13 season. Licht and the coaching staff are not going to be sitting around the campfire singing kumbaya and saying "Hang together everybody. It's OK. There's light at the end of the tunnel!" No. It's not going to be a neat and tidy process all tied up with a bow at the end. It just isn't going to work like that. When losing happens, things get ugly.
And Debucs, I'm responding to you because I think you are representing a large segment, but I think you are wrong. Yes, QB is the most important position, but people seem to be forgetting about the other 50 players on the team. The Bucs don't have a top QB, that's for sure. But it's funny how the Nick Foles and Brock Purdys crop up. Was Brock Purdy really that good? Or was he just on a good team? If the Bucs can put together a good team, people are going to be saying "Hey isn't it amazing how Mayfield/Trask came out of nowhere!!?" There is no question that the QB position, while important, is being overemphasized in the Bucs situation this year.
Well then you are right in your element, Morgan, because lets face it, optimism isn't your thing.There is very little to be optimistic about unless Mayfield all of a sudden becomes the QB that everyone thought we was when drafted - throw in an untested new O.C. --- too many people think the Bucs are going to be similar to Seattle Seahawks and Geno Smith 2022.
@catherder quarterback aside do you want Bowles as our coach? Do you think he can win us a sb?
7+ wins a division win or wild card birth he’s here beyond this year.
5 or less bad year he’s likely gone.
Ill take the latter please.
But this is still essentially the same team, same head coach.
LOL, that's not really true, but the 2004 Buccaneers went 5-11? Same SB winning coach, many of the same players.
I think the head coach is leader of the team, but not the whole story. There has to be a unified approach and quality personnel from the GM on down to the assistant coaches and the quarterback and of course the players. The way he was inserted into the job after Arians left and didn't get to hire his own staff including the OC, the way Brady left and came back and all the Brady drama. There just was a lot of distractions from the objective at hand. There was more going on than we have been informed about, as was hinted at by SR. There was locker room distractions and we haven't been told about that.@catherder quarterback aside do you want Bowles as our coach? Do you think he can win us a sb?
7+ wins a division win or wild card birth he’s here beyond this year.
5 or less bad year he’s likely gone.
Ill take the latter please.
Everybody has to be on the same page from the GM to the coaches and the players, and they weren't on the same page. Having said that, there are 32 HC jobs in the NFL and rarely is anybody perfectly set up for success. Bowles has to take what is handed to him and make something out of it, and the "buck stops here" as they say. Bowles will have to show results this year or he'll be out. The Bucs don't have a bunch of rookies. They need to be competitive in the NFC South. It's not all about the record, but 4-13 would certainly be considered a failure no matter how you slice it.
But my point is that as Bucs fans we are well aware of how in the past coaches would come and go and players come and go and the only thing that was consistent was losing. The good thing about the Arians-Licht relationship was that they were on the same page and Licht knew what players Arians wanted and Arians knew how to make use of the players Licht got for him. Good organizations have continuity. I just don't want to see the return to the old days when there was a revolving door of coaches. That's not how to have a winning organization.
I just don't want to see the return to the old days when there was a revolving door of coaches. That's not how to have a winning organization.
Preach!
But this is still essentially the same team, same head coach.
LOL, that's not really true, but the 2004 Buccaneers went 5-11? Same SB winning coach, many of the same players.
2004 team had QB issues.
Brad Johnson lost his arm.
Steussie got Simms shoulder broken.
Griese could run the offense but threw 3-4 back breaking pick 6’s.
But this is still essentially the same team, same head coach.
Lol.
Essentially the same team...
...while downgrading from extremely elite QB play the last 3 years.
...while having a rookie OC (though anything was an upgrade over Lefty)
...while most likely starting 4 new players along the OL
...while having 2 new starters along the DL
...but, I mean, aside from that...it's essentially the same team.
The QB play in 2022 was not "extremely elite".But this is still essentially the same team, same head coach.
Lol.
Essentially the same team...
...while downgrading from extremely elite QB play the last 3 years.
...while having a rookie OC (though anything was an upgrade over Lefty)
...while most likely starting 4 new players along the OL
...while having 2 new starters along the DL
...but, I mean, aside from that...it's essentially the same team.
The Rookie OC probably is an upgrade as you say.
OL - there are two new players out of ten. Guys are getting moved around, but not new to the team. Since the OL was not a strength of the team last year, I don't expect that to be any worse.
DL - There were changes in the D-line, but again, losing Hicks, Gholston, Roche replaced with Kancey Gaines, and more experience for Hall is not necessarily a downgrade there either.
But this is still essentially the same team, same head coach.
This fuggin' guy...
