TKraz the brave predicts 4-13 but pulls his punches about why.

Trask Force · 2023-06-09T15:53:54Z

Yes, the loud and brash T-Kraz is spouting 4-13 because of "question marks". Don't get me wrong, I respect him for calling it like he sees it. He predicts 4-13. I don't think he's just trying to get a rise out of people, or is he? I don't know for sure. But I want honesty, not people blowing smoke because of what they think people want to hear. So if that's what he really thinks, then that's what I want him to say. But why? How does he get to 4-13? Ronnie Lane predicted 7-10, so he says both of them are in agreement about double digit losses, but no they aren't both in agreement. 4-13 is losing on a different level. The Bucs have talent on both sides of the ball. Superbowl talent? Probably not. But they have talented players who have character and professionalism. Evans, David, Vea, Wirfs, Winfield. They aren't going to phone it in. I don't think T-Kraz would dispute that there are some talented players on the Bucs. The O-line has questions, but note that he made this prediction before Jensen turned up not fully healthy. It's not a 4-13 O-line. They aren't starting from scratch. T-Kraz says the "question marks" are Mayfield and Bowles. What would you say about two guys who you think are going to take a team that is decent in many respects and turn it into 4-13? You don't predict 4-13 because of "question marks." You predict 4-13 because you think the QB and the coach are garbage! The Bucs aren't going to question mark their way to 4-13. If this particular Bucs team with the players they have goes 4-13 (injuries happen, but he's not predicting based on injuries), it's because the QB sucks and the coach is incompetent. So T-Kraz should come out and say what he thinks. Question marks? T-Kraz you call it like you see it, so call it like you see it! Don't be chicken shit and pull your punches! Are they so bad that they will be the reason the Bucs go into the tank this year, and possibly make an early exit from this team? If they are that bad, that's what would probably happen. Do you agree? Are Mayfield and Bowles that bad?

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Good franchises have a competitive team every year.

The Bills are one of the top teams in the league right now.

The Bills were once in four straight Super Bowls (I think)

There were about 20 years in between those two statements

Posted : Jun. 27, 2023 2:20 pm

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Good franchises have a competitive team every year.

The Bills are one of the top teams in the league right now.

The Bills were once in four straight Super Bowls (I think)

There were about 20 years in between those two statements

Took the Bills 20 years to find a replacement for Jim Kelly!

Posted : Jun. 27, 2023 4:57 pm

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OK dude. I didn't say "all Bucs fans" or that all Bucs fans were like me. Yes Sapp called out White, and plenty of people chimed in on the side of Sapp on this board, and I don't remember anybody defending White. Maybe you did. My mistake. It seems like I say stuff and you guys just disagree because I'm the one saying it. Bucs fans are not happy when they see bad football. They are even less happy when they see uninspired football when players seem to be going through the motions. That's probably true for all NFL fans, but I'm more familiar with the Bucs fans. It's one thing to be philosophical about things during idle offseason chatter, but when the games are being played it's a different story. Am I wrong about this? How is this a controversial statement? It's not.

Posted : Jun. 27, 2023 8:08 pm

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On offense I do not think they upgraded at any of the positions so far. So the offense is going to be heavily reliant on younger players hopefully improving and also offensive scheme helping out. Defensively I do believe the Bucs upgraded at DL and Safety.

So all the focus on the offense I understand but I think people are underestimating the additions of Neal and Gaines. Gaines is more of a reliable player than Hicks and will allow Vea to go back to playing nose exclusively. Gaines also brings a little more juice in passing situations which is an upgrade compared to Roach. Neal is so versatile that he can blanket his man and that frees up Winfield. Having Vea and Winfield back to doing what they do best while adding pros like Gaines and Neal while under cap strain is win/win.

The defense is going to surprise people and especially if the rookies like Diaby and Ramirez can pitch in a few sacks, hurries and pressures in rotation. Nelson we know is still improving and even Shaq at 80% is still going to help the defense. JTS though has to show up along with Hall.

Posted : Jun. 27, 2023 9:53 pm

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OK dude. I didn't say "all Bucs fans" or that all Bucs fans were like me.

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you posted that all Bucs fans were like you (ie you posted on behalf of Bucs fans)

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Heres' the facts: Bucs fans put up with a lot, but the one thing they have zero tolerance for is a lack of effort.

Posted : Jun. 28, 2023 10:59 am

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OK dude. I didn't say "all Bucs fans"

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It seems like I say stuff and you guys just disagree because I'm the one saying it.

Or because . . . .

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Bucs fans are not happy when they see bad football. They are even less happy when they see uninspired football when players seem to be going through the motions. That's probably true for all NFL fans, but I'm more familiar with the Bucs fans.

You keep posting as the "Bucs fan" mind reader . . . as if your thoughts are representative of all Bucs fans . .

Posted : Jun. 28, 2023 11:01 am

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Yes Sapp called out White, and plenty of people chimed in on the side of Sapp on this board, and I don't remember anybody defending White. Maybe you did. My mistake

Speaking on behalf of all Bucs fans you said THEY have a specific "pet peeve" over lack of effort and PROOF of that was the way THEY reacted to the White play against the Ravens

That's just made up BS PRECISELY because you assign it to "Bucs fans."

White deserves the blame and I dont defend him AT ALL . . but most Bucs fans never even see that play without SAPP

I am just poking fun at your posting in circles because your comments are meandering all over the place. You keep posting your opinion CLAIMING IT IS FACT and then when other posters responded to walk back from your opinion to some new opinion and the best part? You claim that its really OTHERS who are to blame!

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It seems like I say stuff and you guys just disagree because I'm the one saying it.

Uh . . or . . maybe . . because others here are responding to the words you typed . . . over . . and over . . and over.

Posted : Jun. 28, 2023 11:10 am

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I'm speaking for this Bucs fan, not all Bucs fans. 🤣 IMHO the 2023 season will be considered a success if the Bucs win 8-9 games. IMHO they will likely win around 5-6 games. If they were to somehow win 10+ games, that will be quite an unexpected accomplishment.

Posted : Jun. 28, 2023 12:15 pm

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I'm speaking for this Bucs fan, not all Bucs fans. 🤣 IMHO the 2023 season will be considered a success if the Bucs win 8-9 games. IMHO they will likely win around 5-6 games. If they were to somehow win 10+ games, that will be quite an unexpected accomplishment.

agreed

Posted : Jun. 28, 2023 5:22 pm

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Posted by: @seekpar

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I'm speaking for this Bucs fan, not all Bucs fans. 🤣 IMHO the 2023 season will be considered a success if the Bucs win 8-9 games. IMHO they will likely win around 5-6 games. If they were to somehow win 10+ games, that will be quite an unexpected accomplishment.

agreed

How many wins do you think it will take for Bowles to save his job?

Posted : Jun. 28, 2023 8:26 pm

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Yes Sapp called out White, and plenty of people chimed in on the side of Sapp on this board, and I don't remember anybody defending White. Maybe you did. My mistake

Speaking on behalf of all Bucs fans you said THEY have a specific "pet peeve" over lack of effort and PROOF of that was the way THEY reacted to the White play against the Ravens

That's just made up BS PRECISELY because you assign it to "Bucs fans."

White deserves the blame and I dont defend him AT ALL . . but most Bucs fans never even see that play without SAPP

I am just poking fun at your posting in circles because your comments are meandering all over the place. You keep posting your opinion CLAIMING IT IS FACT and then when other posters responded to walk back from your opinion to some new opinion and the best part? You claim that its really OTHERS who are to blame!

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It seems like I say stuff and you guys just disagree because I'm the one saying it.

Uh . . or . . maybe . . because others here are responding to the words you typed . . . over . . and over . . and over.

I'm just responding to comments of others. For example, I said it's a fact that Bucs fans don't tolerate uninspired play. Well, true as that may be, technically it's an opinion and not a fact, because I don't present statistics to back it up. OK. They're right. It's an opinion. Sheesh. However, that's nitpicking on their part - but let me clarify that's just my opinion, not factually verified information. It's nitpicking.

Posted : Jun. 28, 2023 8:35 pm

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Way to own it

Posted : Jun. 29, 2023 7:32 am

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Posted by: @seekpar

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I'm speaking for this Bucs fan, not all Bucs fans. 🤣 IMHO the 2023 season will be considered a success if the Bucs win 8-9 games. IMHO they will likely win around 5-6 games. If they were to somehow win 10+ games, that will be quite an unexpected accomplishment.

agreed

How many wins do you think it will take for Bowles to save his job?

IMHO the 8-9 wins scenario will save his job. Anything less and the seat will be very hot.

Posted : Jun. 29, 2023 7:59 am

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Agree

i guess he could stay with less wins depending on how the team lost. For example, defense pays really well but games lost by terrible QB play.

Posted : Jun. 29, 2023 12:09 pm

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IMHO the 8-9 wins scenario will save his job. Anything less and the seat will be very hot.

Anything less than playoffs and he’s gone.

And, rightfully so.

Posted : Jun. 30, 2023 10:36 am

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