This is a very hard topic because this is a "Team Sport". We know that though this takes a concerted effort and chemistry. Coaches and players make the abilities and talents shine brighter as they play as an elite player bringing out the talents of mediocre players to elevate their game.
My picks of top 10 Elites that the Buc's have had in no particular order:
1) Doug Williams
2) Derrick Brooks
3) Paul Gruber
4) Warren Sapp
5) Ronde Barber
6) Mike Alstott
7)Hardy Nickerson
8) Joe Jurevicius
9) Lee Roy Selmon
10) John Lynch
Joe Jurevicius over Mike Evans?
Doug Williams at #1 lol. Was he better than Jameis Winston let alone Brad Johnson or Tom Brady?
@badabingbucs Yes and he had more Superbowls than Jameis Winston. Mike Evans is still active, sorry for taking it so literal
Doug Williams at #1 lol.
He literally said in no particular order, dipshit.
For those who never watched Doug Williams play, or what he meant to the Bucs/his team, maybe you would question him being in this list.
If you know, you know.
These top 100 lists Ira Kaufman and PR are putting out are literal brain rot. Luke Goedeke??? He's had 2 good years.
Agreed.
I have yet to see your GOAT QB on this list.
Your boy, the Cocaine Cowboy.
Has to be Top-10, right?
For those who never watched Doug Williams play, or what he meant to the Bucs/his team, maybe you would question him being in this list.
If you know, you know.
yes, to be fair, i was not born when Doug was on the team
numbers are tough though
1978 - 4 wins, 6 losses; 7 TDs, 8 INTs
1979 - 10 wins, 6 losses; 18 TDs, 24 INTs (2 playoff games; 1 TD, 2 INT)
1980 - 5 wins, 10 losses, 1 tie - 20 TDs, 16 INTs
1981 - 9 wins, 7 losses; 19 TDs 14 INTs (1 playoff game, 0 TDs, 4 INTs)
1982 - 5 Wins, 4 losses; 9 TDs, 11 INTs (1 playoff game, 1 TD, 3 INTs)
i guess, it was an exciting time to watch given 1976 inception; but doesn't look like he changed the culture as the Bucs were without playoffs from 1983 to through the 1996 season. Also looks that outside of the 1979 season where he had more INTs than TDs, he really wasn't all that great.
In any event, and i overlooked the "not in any order" but don't see how Doug makes a top 10 list over a guy like Tom Brady who joined the team on a 12 year playoff drought and won the Superbowl. To this day, changed the culture of the losing franchise.
but definitely didn't mean to offend as clearly the guy just chose his favorite players. For example, Joe Jurevicious with his infamous catch played with us for 3 years and didnt even crack 1,000 yards. but i guess i am wrong there too lol
Jurevicious is a top 10 story in Buc's history but he's no where near a top 10 player. He's in the bottom 5 of top twn WRs.
Somewhere after
Evans
Godwin
Jackson
Johnson
Galloway
These top 100 lists Ira Kaufman and PR are putting out are literal brain rot. Luke Goedeke??? He's had 2 good years.
Agreed.
I have yet to see your GOAT QB on this list.
Your boy, the Cocaine Cowboy.
Has to be Top-10, right?
If Ira Kaufman's and Scott Reynold's standard is two good years then they have to include Freeman and Tanard Jackson or else they're hypocrits. My standard was higher so neither made my list. And certainly not Davin Joseph who I'm accused of having an my all-star team.
Jurevicious is a top 10 story in Buc's history but he's no where near a top 10 player. He's in the bottom 5 of top twn WRs.
Somewhere after
Evans
Godwin
Jackson
Johnson
Galloway
from a numbers and impact perspective not even a top 10 WR; maybe you can argue it given the poor franchise we are
can't put him ahead of these guys
Evans, Godwin, Carrier, House, Vincent Jackson, Keyshawn, Galloway
and what about Antonio Bryant and Keenan McCardell...short lived but still much better numbers
so there's an argument for that 10th spot.
i mean shit....Scottie Miller had arguably similar impact in his time with the Bucs. His TD before Packers half time was just as important in the Bucs Superbowl run.
Scottie Miller ranks 51st all time in receiving for Bucs while Joe Jurevicius is at 58.
These top 100 lists Ira Kaufman and PR are putting out are literal brain rot.
and yet . . .
His TD before Packers half time was just as important in the Bucs Superbowl run.
No, it wasn't.
in your opinion of course
Given how that second half played out, without that TD, we potentially lose that 31-26 game
Not saying that JJ catch and run wasn't a game changer either; just suggesting we appear to be overrating the player listing him a top 10 buccaneer all time; but let's see what you got to say Debatable Dan
Jensen at 25 is just taking a dump on these top 100 lists.
His TD before Packers half time was just as important in the Bucs Superbowl run.
No, it wasn't.
in your opinion of course
Given how that second half played out, without that TD, we potentially lose that 31-26 game
Not saying that JJ catch and run wasn't a game changer either; just suggesting we appear to be overrating the player listing him a top 10 buccaneer all time; but let's see what you got to say Debatable Dan
I would agree. I'm not sure they win that Packer game without that TD before the half. That was huge.
While Miller has more total yards, Jurevicious has more YPG as a Buccaneer. With more TD's & Receptions in less years/games as a Buc, Jurevicious (30 games) was a better Buc than Speedy Scotty Miller (50 games) - even if he wasn't anointed as a JC All Star. But it's fairly surprising either is on anybody's Top10 list.
For those who never watched Doug Williams play, or what he meant to the Bucs/his team, maybe you would question him being in this list.
If you know, you know.
yes, to be fair, i was not born when Doug was on the team
numbers are tough though
1978 - 4 wins, 6 losses; 7 TDs, 8 INTs
1979 - 10 wins, 6 losses; 18 TDs, 24 INTs (2 playoff games; 1 TD, 2 INT)
1980 - 5 wins, 10 losses, 1 tie - 20 TDs, 16 INTs
1981 - 9 wins, 7 losses; 19 TDs 14 INTs (1 playoff game, 0 TDs, 4 INTs)
1982 - 5 Wins, 4 losses; 9 TDs, 11 INTs (1 playoff game, 1 TD, 3 INTs)
i guess, it was an exciting time to watch given 1976 inception; but doesn't look like he changed the culture a
Top "x" lists are tough because people apply different metrics.
You appear to be focusing on Williams stats, which is certainly fair. Williams place in Bucs history transcends his stats though. In fact, William's most meaningful stats come AFTER the Bucs, but are still relevant to the Bucs because of the circumstances. Williams may not have changed the culture of the Bucs (he led them to the playoffs 3 or 4 times, so I would differ with you there) . . but the circumstances of his departure from the Bucs arguably advanced a change to the culture of the ENTIRE LEAGUE.
So, he's definitely one of the most consequential Bucs of all time. He is in the RING OF HONOR for a reason and those are his accomplishments on the field as the Bucs QB but because the current Bucs ownership tacitly acknowledges he was treated unfairly by the prior Bucs owner.
Williams was a "black quarterback" from an HCBU . . . paid very little in 1982, relative to other QBs. He asked to be paid for his performance in 1982/1983. The Bucs OWNER did not want to pay, but most would say it was about more than the amount as they were reportedly in easy compromise territory, but didn't get it done.
Williams goes to the Redskins where he eventually becomes the first African American QB to start a Super Bowl game and the Redskins won the Super Bowl and he was the MVP. He was the MVP because after injuring his knee in the game, he gets up and throws 4 TDS and 300 plus yards against the favored ELWAY-led Broncos. So, it was a Willis Reed-type moment (given your age you probably need to Google that lol) on the biggest stage. Those circumstances arguably play a part in changing the way some people viewed black QBs at the time.
In my view, the entire Redskins team plays well, but he has great throws on his TDs, most (all?) in the 2nd quarter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHBGZmYGCwk