His numbers are top 5, no argument
Hope they keep ignoring &!minimizing Baker, sure seems to bring out his best.Was thinking of posting similar topic last night - but I got tired and went to bed. Sometime this morning chuckled hearing a conversation making the case that while Baker does have tremendous passing STATS… in actuality he’s just benefited from Coen’s reliance on low air yards/high-percentage passing - with a lot of YAK.
That has definitely been a contributor, and likely the justification NOT to have Baker’s name even mentioned with the likes of MVP-worthy guys like Allen, Lamar, and Joe Cool …but for Mayfield to have another great season with his second “hot” OC, and losing his top receivers for a stretch this season - the guy has just been gritty & reliable.
Sure there are lost focus periods, followerd by “omg how’d he do that” moments. Still a guy I wouldn’t hesitate to hand him the ball with 2 minutes on the clock, down by 3…
Great season by Baker Mayfield we wouldn’t be here without him.
Every QB benefits from YAC and play calling
oh, yeah, but those 42 TD’s tho…
Well, last year, he put up top 10 numbers but many of us discounted it with (a) it's one year and the guy's been a roller coaster previously (b) injuries to previous top guys like Cousins, Rodgers, Burrow, etc. So many of us, including this Baker bro had him at 15.
He's clearly taken the next step and is in the top 10 now of which one might argue top 5. I'd say top 4 are Mahomes, Allen, Jackson, and Burrow in no particularly order.
Then i dont know, Golf and Mayfield at 5 and 6? Who ranks better than them? Darnold is up there but much like Mayfield last year, let me see it again.
Stafford's better than both of them, and it's not that close. Stafford should be considered a top-5 QB. But after that, especially considering this season, Baker should be there at 6 or 7. And this is just his first season in this offense with this OC, just his second with most of these teammates. Yeah, his ceiling isn't a lot higher than what we're seeing this year, but what we're seeing is a 70+% completion%, 4,500+yd 40+ TD QB. So if his ceiling is only 10% higher than what he ends up producing this year, that's a hell of a ceiling.
Stafford is top 10 in arm talent or even top 5 but he's well past his prime. His stats this year are pretty bad. He plays a ton of screen game to Puka and Kyren.
For me, Stafford isn't even top 12 this year.
20 TDs, 8 picks, 3700 yards, and he's immobile.
Hell that might not even be top 18.
Eye ball test says he can still sling it but he needs a clean pocket.
He was also missing 3 starting OLs this season until about 3-4 weeks ago. Both Puka and Kupp were injured for several weeks earlier in the season as well. And he's more moble than you think. He had some great scrambles earlier this season, that Goff couldn't dream of pulling off.
But regardless, Stafford has a significantly higher football IQ and better command than either Goff or Baker, and then he has a better arm than either.
So are we talking about the player or the season?
He's had a poor season. Not awful but not great.
8 picks on 20 TDs is not good. That ratio stinks.
Herbert for example has 21 TDs but only 3 picks.
It's cool that you like him and I respect his IQ and arm talent but I could easily name 15 QBs that have had a better season.
He's right there with Love and Kyler
Goff has been sooooooo much better this season.
Well, last year, he put up top 10 numbers but many of us discounted it with (a) it's one year and the guy's been a roller coaster previously (b) injuries to previous top guys like Cousins, Rodgers, Burrow, etc. So many of us, including this Baker bro had him at 15.
He's clearly taken the next step and is in the top 10 now of which one might argue top 5. I'd say top 4 are Mahomes, Allen, Jackson, and Burrow in no particularly order.
Then i dont know, Golf and Mayfield at 5 and 6? Who ranks better than them? Darnold is up there but much like Mayfield last year, let me see it again.
Stafford's better than both of them, and it's not that close. Stafford should be considered a top-5 QB. But after that, especially considering this season, Baker should be there at 6 or 7. And this is just his first season in this offense with this OC, just his second with most of these teammates. Yeah, his ceiling isn't a lot higher than what we're seeing this year, but what we're seeing is a 70+% completion%, 4,500+yd 40+ TD QB. So if his ceiling is only 10% higher than what he ends up producing this year, that's a hell of a ceiling.
Stafford is top 10 in arm talent or even top 5 but he's well past his prime. His stats this year are pretty bad. He plays a ton of screen game to Puka and Kyren.
For me, Stafford isn't even top 12 this year.
20 TDs, 8 picks, 3700 yards, and he's immobile.
Hell that might not even be top 18.
Eye ball test says he can still sling it but he needs a clean pocket.
He was also missing 3 starting OLs this season until about 3-4 weeks ago. Both Puka and Kupp were injured for several weeks earlier in the season as well. And he's more moble than you think. He had some great scrambles earlier this season, that Goff couldn't dream of pulling off.
But regardless, Stafford has a significantly higher football IQ and better command than either Goff or Baker, and then he has a better arm than either.
So are we talking about the player or the season?
He's had a poor season. Not awful but not great.
8 picks on 20 TDs is not good. That ratio stinks.
Herbert for example has 21 TDs but only 3 picks.
It's cool that you like him and I respect his IQ and arm talent but I could easily name 15 QBs that have had a better season.
He's right there with Love and Kyler
Goff has been sooooooo much better this season.
As far as Stafford, I'm talking about career-wise. I get that this season his numbers are down. Though, if I had to take one of them into the playoffs, I'm taking Stafford over Goff, Baker, Love or whoever isn't named Mahomes, Josh Allen, or Burrow. And yes, that means I'd take Stafford over Lamar in the playoffs.
But statistically, yeah, Stafford's had a down year in 2024. However, 20 TDs/8INTs isn't bad at all. It's a 2.5:1 TD:INT ratio. Which is pretty good.
Bakers ints and our record holding him out of the mvp conversation this year.
hes gotta be top 2 or 3 in the league if not leading it in ints I’d think.
cut those in half he’d be elite.
cut those in half he’d be elite.
Would be really interesting to break them down. For example, are they mostly undisciplined gunslinger type, which he could easily corrected, or are they mostly bad pre-snap reads or something more challenging.
Well, last year, he put up top 10 numbers but many of us discounted it with (a) it's one year and the guy's been a roller coaster previously (b) injuries to previous top guys like Cousins, Rodgers, Burrow, etc. So many of us, including this Baker bro had him at 15.
He's clearly taken the next step and is in the top 10 now of which one might argue top 5. I'd say top 4 are Mahomes, Allen, Jackson, and Burrow in no particularly order.
Then i dont know, Golf and Mayfield at 5 and 6? Who ranks better than them? Darnold is up there but much like Mayfield last year, let me see it again.
Stafford's better than both of them, and it's not that close. Stafford should be considered a top-5 QB. But after that, especially considering this season, Baker should be there at 6 or 7. And this is just his first season in this offense with this OC, just his second with most of these teammates. Yeah, his ceiling isn't a lot higher than what we're seeing this year, but what we're seeing is a 70+% completion%, 4,500+yd 40+ TD QB. So if his ceiling is only 10% higher than what he ends up producing this year, that's a hell of a ceiling.
Stafford is top 10 in arm talent or even top 5 but he's well past his prime. His stats this year are pretty bad. He plays a ton of screen game to Puka and Kyren.
For me, Stafford isn't even top 12 this year.
20 TDs, 8 picks, 3700 yards, and he's immobile.
Hell that might not even be top 18.
Eye ball test says he can still sling it but he needs a clean pocket.
He was also missing 3 starting OLs this season until about 3-4 weeks ago. Both Puka and Kupp were injured for several weeks earlier in the season as well. And he's more moble than you think. He had some great scrambles earlier this season, that Goff couldn't dream of pulling off.
But regardless, Stafford has a significantly higher football IQ and better command than either Goff or Baker, and then he has a better arm than either.
So are we talking about the player or the season?
He's had a poor season. Not awful but not great.
8 picks on 20 TDs is not good. That ratio stinks.
Herbert for example has 21 TDs but only 3 picks.
It's cool that you like him and I respect his IQ and arm talent but I could easily name 15 QBs that have had a better season.
He's right there with Love and Kyler
Goff has been sooooooo much better this season.
As far as Stafford, I'm talking about career-wise. I get that this season his numbers are down. Though, if I had to take one of them into the playoffs, I'm taking Stafford over Goff, Baker, Love or whoever isn't named Mahomes, Josh Allen, or Burrow. And yes, that means I'd take Stafford over Lamar in the playoffs.
But statistically, yeah, Stafford's had a down year in 2024. However, 20 TDs/8INTs isn't bad at all. It's a 2.5:1 TD:INT ratio. Which is pretty good.
8 picks on 20 TDs isn't good. Especially when you have no rushing TDs.
He's had a good career but he's at the tail end.
I'm assuming you're a Georgia fan or something?
cut those in half he’d be elite.
Would be really interesting to break them down. For example, are they mostly undisciplined gunslinger type, which he could easily corrected, or are they mostly bad pre-snap reads or something more challenging.
agreed. At times he tries to do too much. I can’t think of him ever throwing the ball away lol. He’s great at keeping plays alive but occasionally leads to sacks or picks.
I can’t think of him ever throwing the ball away lol.
Thats a great point. I dont remember one either
Stafford and Goff both throw a more accurate ball than Mayfield.
If we're measuring by career, it's Stafford, Goff, Mayfield. If we're measuring by the 2024 season, it's Goff, Mayfield, Stafford.
I'm real happy we have Mayfield, and he's found a great home with the Bucs in TB.
I'm real happy we have Mayfield, and he's found a great home with the Bucs in TB.
absolutely! who would have thought that when we signed him!!!
Stafford and Goff both throw a more accurate ball than Mayfield.
If we're measuring by career, it's Stafford, Goff, Mayfield. If we're measuring by the 2024 season, it's Goff, Mayfield, Stafford.
I'm real happy we have Mayfield, and he's found a great home with the Bucs in TB.
Well I should hope so... Stafford is what, 9 years older than Baker or something like that?
Goff has a few years on him too.
As for this year, I think Goff and Baker are even
Well, last year, he put up top 10 numbers but many of us discounted it with (a) it's one year and the guy's been a roller coaster previously (b) injuries to previous top guys like Cousins, Rodgers, Burrow, etc. So many of us, including this Baker bro had him at 15.
He's clearly taken the next step and is in the top 10 now of which one might argue top 5. I'd say top 4 are Mahomes, Allen, Jackson, and Burrow in no particularly order.
Then i dont know, Golf and Mayfield at 5 and 6? Who ranks better than them? Darnold is up there but much like Mayfield last year, let me see it again.
Stafford's better than both of them, and it's not that close. Stafford should be considered a top-5 QB. But after that, especially considering this season, Baker should be there at 6 or 7. And this is just his first season in this offense with this OC, just his second with most of these teammates. Yeah, his ceiling isn't a lot higher than what we're seeing this year, but what we're seeing is a 70+% completion%, 4,500+yd 40+ TD QB. So if his ceiling is only 10% higher than what he ends up producing this year, that's a hell of a ceiling.
Stafford is top 10 in arm talent or even top 5 but he's well past his prime. His stats this year are pretty bad. He plays a ton of screen game to Puka and Kyren.
For me, Stafford isn't even top 12 this year.
20 TDs, 8 picks, 3700 yards, and he's immobile.
Hell that might not even be top 18.
Eye ball test says he can still sling it but he needs a clean pocket.
He was also missing 3 starting OLs this season until about 3-4 weeks ago. Both Puka and Kupp were injured for several weeks earlier in the season as well. And he's more moble than you think. He had some great scrambles earlier this season, that Goff couldn't dream of pulling off.
But regardless, Stafford has a significantly higher football IQ and better command than either Goff or Baker, and then he has a better arm than either.
So are we talking about the player or the season?
He's had a poor season. Not awful but not great.
8 picks on 20 TDs is not good. That ratio stinks.
Herbert for example has 21 TDs but only 3 picks.
It's cool that you like him and I respect his IQ and arm talent but I could easily name 15 QBs that have had a better season.
He's right there with Love and Kyler
Goff has been sooooooo much better this season.
As far as Stafford, I'm talking about career-wise. I get that this season his numbers are down. Though, if I had to take one of them into the playoffs, I'm taking Stafford over Goff, Baker, Love or whoever isn't named Mahomes, Josh Allen, or Burrow. And yes, that means I'd take Stafford over Lamar in the playoffs.
But statistically, yeah, Stafford's had a down year in 2024. However, 20 TDs/8INTs isn't bad at all. It's a 2.5:1 TD:INT ratio. Which is pretty good.
8 picks on 20 TDs isn't good. Especially when you have no rushing TDs.
He's had a good career but he's at the tail end.
I'm assuming you're a Georgia fan or something?
thought I already mentioned it, but I’m a Sooner.
And again, a 2.75:1 TD/INT ratio is borderline elite. Now, you’d like the QB to have more than 20 TDs in 16 games, but the ratio is excellent
