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Posted by: @alldaway

That is where trading down and taking a Starks makes sense. Extra picks can be used to address edge, CB and ILB while leaving some picks for WR and OL depth respectively.

If we were to take Starks, I'd prefer it in a trade back scenario. 

That being said, I don't think he'd be there that late (if not before our original pick). 

 
Posted : Apr. 6, 2025 9:55 am
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Posted by: @alldaway

I do not mind Starks but at 19 I am not crazy about it.  Is Starks that much better than T. Smith?   I do not really think so.  That is where trading down and taking a Starks makes sense. Extra picks can be used to address edge, CB and ILB while leaving some picks for WR and OL depth respectively.

 

What does Smith have to do with it? They would be on the field at the same time. 

 

 
Posted : Apr. 6, 2025 10:53 am
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You have a number of teams that may want to move down, especially if their pick is taken earlier. Just because it looks logical, it doesn’t mean you will have a trade partner.

It remains to be seen, but I’m skeptical that there will be a chance to move down. The 1st round value at the picks everyone wants, is pretty thin.

 
Posted : Apr. 6, 2025 12:35 pm
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Posted by: @alldaway

I do not mind Starks but at 19 I am not crazy about it.  Is Starks that much better than T. Smith?   I do not really think so.  That is where trading down and taking a Starks makes sense. Extra picks can be used to address edge, CB and ILB while leaving some picks for WR and OL depth respectively.

 

What does Smith have to do with it? They would be on the field at the same time. 

 

I do not think Starks that much better than Smith as a prospect coming out.  

Posted by: @donkey_hunter

If we were to take Starks, I'd prefer it in a trade back scenario. 

That being said, I don't think he'd be there that late (if not before our original pick

Bowles keeps talking about depth and the Bucs FO are probably thinking the same thing as the strength of this draft is in the middle with day 2 and early day 3. 

Posted by: @white-tiger

You have a number of teams that may want to move down, especially if their pick is taken earlier. Just because it looks logical, it doesn’t mean you will have a trade partner.

It remains to be seen, but I’m skeptical that there will be a chance to move down. The 1st round value at the picks everyone wants, is pretty thin.

Yeah it is hard moving down but really I do not think the Bucs have a lot of blue chip players on their board (eg five?).  Very unlikely they have more than1 15 players with first round grades too.

Patriots may want to move up for WR though for example if they go LT early in round 1.  49ers and Seahawks have extra picks and they both pick before the Bucs but may want trade back up again to double dip.

 

 

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Posted : Apr. 6, 2025 1:59 pm
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Looks like Licht had better scouting on many of these players than any goofy "consensus".  I do believe Spytek and Green were a huge part of these more realistic evals relative to Smith, Diaby, Goedeke, and White. 

 

It's weird...

 
Posted : Apr. 7, 2025 3:57 pm
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Posted by: @alldaway

I do not mind Starks but at 19 I am not crazy about it.  Is Starks that much better than T. Smith?   I do not really think so.  That is where trading down and taking a Starks makes sense. Extra picks can be used to address edge, CB and ILB while leaving some picks for WR and OL depth respectively.

 

What does Smith have to do with it? They would be on the field at the same time. 

 

I do not think Starks that much better than Smith as a prospect coming out.  

Posted by: @donkey_hunter

If we were to take Starks, I'd prefer it in a trade back scenario. 

That being said, I don't think he'd be there that late (if not before our original pick

Bowles keeps talking about depth and the Bucs FO are probably thinking the same thing as the strength of this draft is in the middle with day 2 and early day 3. 

Posted by: @white-tiger

You have a number of teams that may want to move down, especially if their pick is taken earlier. Just because it looks logical, it doesn’t mean you will have a trade partner.

It remains to be seen, but I’m skeptical that there will be a chance to move down. The 1st round value at the picks everyone wants, is pretty thin.

Yeah it is hard moving down but really I do not think the Bucs have a lot of blue chip players on their board (eg five?).  Very unlikely they have more than1 15 players with first round grades too.

Patriots may want to move up for WR though for example if they go LT early in round 1.  49ers and Seahawks have extra picks and they both pick before the Bucs but may want trade back up again to double dip.

Reasons teams may want to move up. 

1) Jaxson Dart.  He's been mocked all over the place, but Pittsburg is drafting at 21 and anybody who wants him better get up ahead of them.

2) #1 WRs like McMillan or Golden.  If you really want a true #1 you can't wait until the end of the round or round 2.  

3) OTs and DTs - same here.  These are premium positions and if you want one of the top guys you can't wait until the end of the round to get your guy. There are guys who fit the bill who will probably fall to the middle of the round.

These are all reasons teams might want to move up.  The Bucs have needs at premium positions such as CB and Edge, but the Bucs may prefer to wait to get the guys they're targeting later toward the end of the round.  I think the opportunity will be there to trade down.  Perhaps even just a couple spots with Pittsburg so they can avoid having anybody jump ahead of them for Dart.  

 

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Posted : Apr. 8, 2025 11:01 am
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1. I have to agree that Pitt is primed to take a QB with their first round pick.  

2. Agreed which is why the Pats make sense because they have a collection of WRs that are 2s, 3s, 4s, and 5s but they lack a true #1.  Signing Diggs helps as a stop gap but they need a long term answer at the spot to pair with Maye.  That and LT has been their major Achilles heel for a while.

3. As we saw last year CBs went late in round 1 so if the Bucs have their eyes set on a CB or even a safety like Starks they can trade down and still upgrade the secondary.

 

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Posted : Apr. 8, 2025 9:52 pm
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Posted by: @alldaway

1. I have to agree that Pitt is primed to take a QB with their first round pick.  

2. Agreed which is why the Pats make sense because they have a collection of WRs that are 2s, 3s, 4s, and 5s but they lack a true #1.  Signing Diggs helps as a stop gap but they need a long term answer at the spot to pair with Maye.  That and LT has been their major Achilles heel for a while.

3. As we saw last year CBs went late in round 1 so if the Bucs have their eyes set on a CB or even a safety like Starks they can trade down and still upgrade the secondary.

 

That's a long way from 19 to 38 and then presumably they'd pick up an extra 3rd and 4th.  But I just think it's too far to move down.    They'd lose out on getting one of those players that I'm sure they're targeting anywhere from 19 on down to possibly the top of the 2nd but not later than that IMO.  

 

 
Posted : Apr. 9, 2025 12:19 pm
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Posted by: @alldaway

1. I have to agree that Pitt is primed to take a QB with their first round pick.  

2. Agreed which is why the Pats make sense because they have a collection of WRs that are 2s, 3s, 4s, and 5s but they lack a true #1.  Signing Diggs helps as a stop gap but they need a long term answer at the spot to pair with Maye.  That and LT has been their major Achilles heel for a while.

3. As we saw last year CBs went late in round 1 so if the Bucs have their eyes set on a CB or even a safety like Starks they can trade down and still upgrade the secondary.

 

That's a long way from 19 to 38 and then presumably they'd pick up an extra 3rd and 4th.  But I just think it's too far to move down.    They'd lose out on getting one of those players that I'm sure they're targeting anywhere from 19 on down to possibly the top of the 2nd but not later than that IMO.  

 

They can always trade up but really it just depends upon what they have on their board and what is left.  If they really like the guys in rounds 2 through 4 then maybe they do not really care about trading down that far.  And you can always trade back up but really I think it is more realistic to trade down and stick and draft a player you really like at that point. 

 

 
Posted : Apr. 9, 2025 1:09 pm
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