No doubt restructuring will be part of the solution, but Evans has been restructured to death already, and I'm not sure how much more he's going to want to do when we aren't on the hunt for a Superbowl. There are a couple players who could be restructured, such as Vea, but you have to be careful. You are guaranteeing more money and pushing cap consequences into the future, so you better be sure that player is part of your future plans. Barrett for example - How much do you want to push his deal into the future? How many players are you confident that they will be part of this team in two or three years?
but Evans has been restructured to death already, and I'm not sure how much more he's going to want to do when we aren't on the hunt for a Superbowl
He was restructuring before we were in the hunt for a Super Bowl.
Restructuring deals played a large part of getting the Bucs in salary cap hell for the 2023 season. Yes, the Bucs were able to win a SB and just missed going to another SB, but to have any chance of going to a SB in 3-5 years, the Bucs have to get out of salary cap hell.
Isn’t the player typically getting MORE money up front with a restructuring?
trying to understand why a player would turn it down.
Isn’t the player typically getting MORE money up front with a restructuring?
trying to understand why a player would turn it down.
Yes, a player gets more money up front because a large portion of the money is in the form of a signing bonus. The team gets to spread that signing bonus over the course of the contract. If a play signs a contract for 5 years with a 20 million signing bonus, the team gets to spread that bonus over the 5 years for salary cap purposes.
The only reason a player would turn it down is because he thinks he can get more money in free agency.
The player isn't going to turn it down if it is to his benefit, but he's not just going to do it to help out the team. There would have to be an incentive. So yes Evans could restructure, but he's already got about $13 mil of bonus money pushed into future years. So you are talking about pushing out even more money into future cap years which comes due at the end of his tenure with the Bucs. We see what a $35 mil cap hit looks like with Brady. You are possibly talking about a $20 mil hit if Evans were to call it quits or get traded. That's just one guy.Isn’t the player typically getting MORE money up front with a restructuring?
trying to understand why a player would turn it down.
Yes, a player gets more money up front because a large portion of the money is in the form of a signing bonus. The team gets to spread that signing bonus over the course of the contract. If a play signs a contract for 5 years with a 20 million signing bonus, the team gets to spread that bonus over the 5 years for salary cap purposes.
The only reason a player would turn it down is because he thinks he can get more money in free agency.
Licht used that tactic of pushing money into the future to make a Superbowl run. Now he's trying to get out of it. I don't think he's just going to kick the can down the road and have this situation happen again. So there may be some minor restructuring, but not as much as people think. Not if it means pushing more cap money into years beyond the players' contracts.
if we are going to soft tank which if we plan to roll with Trask that is exactly what they are signaling then i question why you keep a guy like Shaq Barrett on the team.
you keep offensive talent because you want to realistically see if Trask is the answer. but as far as defense, i dont see why you bring back guys like Gholston, Hicks, try and cut Barrett, etc.
would argue only reason you bring back David is for the fans and Dean although top caliber, can hopefully get replacement in second round of draft.
this all changes if we sign Jimmy G. it all depends on what Bucs are trying to do but i think they are signaling soft tank at this point until they prove otherwise
So the thing that is missing from the original analysis is that the team can walk itself to freedom over time, not all in one year, right and do so by re-working deals. It doesn't have to just offload talent
It can ask players to re-do their contracts giving them more money now and even though this is still pushing money down the road the cap is going up and time changes everything. So, the most LIKELY scenario this year isn't "trade Godwin" (and other talent) its re-work his deal and others and cut some other poor performers?
Yeah I don’t see the logic in not keeping Godwin and evans
whether trask, jimmy G or a rookie QB you want those guys to throw too
I don't claim that it's likely that Godwin will get traded, but it's something that's not out of the realm of possibility, that's all. Specifically, what is the biggest cap offender is converting salary into bonuses. That's like putting your money on a cap credit card. Spend now, pay later.So the thing that is missing from the original analysis is that the team can walk itself to freedom over time, not all in one year, right and do so by re-working deals. It doesn't have to just offload talent
It can ask players to re-do their contracts giving them more money now and even though this is still pushing money down the road the cap is going up and time changes everything. So, the most LIKELY scenario this year isn't "trade Godwin" (and other talent) its re-work his deal and others and cut some other poor performers?
I don't claim that it's likely that Godwin will get traded, but it's something that's not out of the realm of possibility, that's all. Specifically, what is the biggest cap offender is converting salary into bonuses. That's like putting your money on a cap credit card. Spend now, pay later.So the thing that is missing from the original analysis is that the team can walk itself to freedom over time, not all in one year, right and do so by re-working deals. It doesn't have to just offload talent
It can ask players to re-do their contracts giving them more money now and even though this is still pushing money down the road the cap is going up and time changes everything. So, the most LIKELY scenario this year isn't "trade Godwin" (and other talent) its re-work his deal and others and cut some other poor performers?
agreed on the credit card comparison. I am just saying that our thread is actually advocating trading Godwin because of the cap ("But this is about cap numbers this offseason, and trading Godwin makes sense")
I think that's because of the cap. anyway the other option is restructure, I think
Yeah it's not the "cap" with people who want to gut the team, it's about getting rid of Bowles.
Some of you need to just admit that.
Yeah it's not the "cap" with people who want to gut the team, it's about getting rid of Bowles.
Some of you need to just admit that.
seems like rhetoric
what are you in-suiting?
do we dislike bowles because he blew last year or another reason?
just curious where you are coming from?
and if you consider trask as trying and taking Brady cap hit all this year then I suggest you lump the glazers in that category you are ignorantly putting the fans that are suggesting a soft tank is for being against bowles as opposed to clear mathematics
Yeah it's not the "cap" with people who want to gut the team, it's about getting rid of Bowles.
Some of you need to just admit that.
seems like rhetoric
what are you in-suiting?
do we dislike bowles because he blew last year or another reason?
just curious where you are coming from?
and if you consider trask as trying and taking Brady cap hit all this year then I suggest you lump the glazers in that category you are ignorantly putting the fans that are suggesting a soft tank is for being against bowles as opposed to clear mathematics
Look at the post count.
Don't feed the troll.
Godwin has been my favorite Bucs player. I would not want to see him traded. However, if it is a financial necessity here is where I think he goes.
There are two playoff teams that are likely to use their 1st round pick on a WR, the Chiefs and the Giants. The WR class is not strong. The Giants have 5 free agents WR's and their 1st round pick is at #25. If they were to trade up with the Bucs to#19 they would have to give up #25 and #57 according to the Trade Chart. The Giants have 12 picks!
The two questions would be do the Bucs prefer to keep #19 and receive #25 and #57 and trade Godwin or trade #19 for #25 and #57? Would the Giants prefer to get Godwin instead of giving up #25 and #57 for a rookie WR at #19?
The Chiefs have 13 picks. Under the same scenario the Chiefs would give up #31 and # 63 for #19 or for Godwin.
IMO opinion the trade with the Giants for Godwin would give the Bucs two Round 1 picks (#19 and #25) and two Round 2 picks (#50 and #57). The Bucs should be able to 2 possibly 3 starters!
Your thoughts?