Bowles will not play Trask even when the Bucs are eliminated from the post season. If Trask does play and play well, Bowles will look really bad for not starting him the whole season. That would ensure Bowles gets fired. Bowles isn't going to take that chance.
As for INTs. He has 8 INTs, less than one per game. Stafford has 9, Smith 9, Mahomes 10, Hurts 10. No info on "interception worthy plays". I'm sure they all had some. You also are totally ignoring the major problem with the offense which was the interior offensive line. Mayfield maneuvered out of numerous sack situations.
Again, what exactly do you think Trask would have done in the same scenario? It's hilarious about how Trask has been the whipping boy for so long on this board as being a wasted draft pick. Now suddenly he's the next coming of Joe Montana.
What record do you think the Bucs would have right now if Trask was the QB from the start?
Anyway, you may get your wish. The rumblings are that he will start once the Bucs are basically eliminated. This would have been this week if they lost to the Panthers. If they lose to the Falcons they are basically out of it. I hope he does get his chance and does well, but that will be with an improving O-line. That would give the Bucs options next year, but I still hope they draft a QB in the first round.
First of all, many of the sack situations (not all, but a large portion) were caused by his indecision and holding onto the ball. In the 49ers game, Bowles even stated 3 of the sacks were on him. Like I mentioned before, the strip sack came because he took too long despite having both Otton and Godwin open in front of him, with Otton breaking wide open for an easy TD if he just throws it to him. I believe Baker is costing us 10 points, on average, per game. While Trask may have started out a little slower, overall, I think we'd have 7 more points per game on average and probably have 2 more wins. The thing is, as I continue to repeat, nobody knows what he can do with the starters. He played better than Mayfield in the preseason overall. Mayfield managed to avoid any picks, but he had a couple of INT worthy plays. But, if I recall correctly, Baker had only 2 drives for points and the rest were 3-5 plays and a punt. Same thing we're seeing in the regular season. Trask, on the other hand, move the ball into scoring range fairly regularly, though he did have to settle for field goals more often than would have been ideal. Of course, he wasn't playing with the starters and the second/third string line was horrible.
And by the way, the Bucs' offensive line is only middle of the pack in pressures allowed, so it's not like Baker is constantly running for his life, he just acts like it, as he panics too easily.
Instead of putting this on Trask, why not put it on Bowles, who made this decision.
sort of my point, you cant put it on Trask because he was beat out and is still on the bench so it becomes abut Bowles.
Making it abaut Bowles is like arguing about nothing because OBJECTIVELY SPEAKING Bowles wants the best QB because he's fighting for his job. Because that should be beyond any reasonable dispute, it then becomes "Bowles is bad at pulling bad players . . look at White"
That is three or four steps removed from reality though. It's like a pretend argument about nothing BECAUSE ULTIMATELY if Mayfield is as bad as you say then Trask should easily beat him out . . . BUT HE HAS NOT .. which is why you turn it on to Bowles .
see the circle going round and round
First of all, many of the sack situations (not all, but a large portion) were caused by his indecision and holding onto the ball.
I think a few of them in the Indy game are tied to his injury . . if we are trying to be fair.
There is almost NEVER in the sport of football ONE PLAYER responsible for all of a team's woes. In a recent game we go down to the goal line only to get a false start or a hold from Stinnie and ultimately we settle for a field goal . ..
weird but ypical thing about Bucs talk is that the expectation were very low BEFORE the season and now with the Bucs matching those LOW expectations there is a segment of the fans here that want Mayfield's head? Really?
They seem to be mostly Gators (lol, weird huh), but thats another story.
This has nothing to do with where he went to college. He could have done what he did at Georgia, LSU, Tennessee, etc...and I'd still feel this way. My favorite Buc of all time is Brooks (have several 55 jerseys and one 56 - Hardy). And your nonsensical talk is getting old. Mayfield didn't "beat" Trask out. Most fans who have any modicum of knowledge knew that Trask was better in preseason, but they also knew that the competition was rigged. Baker was promised the starting job to come sign here dirt cheap. Plain and simple. The only way Trask was going to win was if Baker imploded during the preseason, and Trask was driving for TD's on every play.
This situation is strictly a reflection of poor management by Bowles. He made a huge mistake going with Baker and set this franchise back. If he had simply brought a veteran in for insurance and let Trask be the starter, we'd pretty clearly know by now what sort of QB Trask really is. Instead, the time to find out is being whittled down with no true answer and the possibility we may have to draft a QB in the first and waste our second rounder.
Bowles will not play Trask even when the Bucs are eliminated from the post season. If Trask does play and play well, Bowles will look really bad for not starting him the whole season. That would ensure Bowles gets fired. Bowles isn't going to take that chance.
what makes you think that is Bowles decision?
as a man in corporate America, that is not how business are run. I may be in charge to an extent but the owners (glazers) and CEO ( licht) will make that call with a falcons loss
Agree. Licht isn't going to interfere with Bowles, because then the coach could claim he wasn't allowed to run his own team and that's why he lost. Until they are eliminated. At that point the GM can step in and request the change.Bowles will not play Trask even when the Bucs are eliminated from the post season. If Trask does play and play well, Bowles will look really bad for not starting him the whole season. That would ensure Bowles gets fired. Bowles isn't going to take that chance.
what makes you think that is Bowles decision?
as a man in corporate America, that is not how business are run. I may be in charge to an extent but the owners (glazers) and CEO ( licht) will make that call with a falcons loss
That's why there are "rumblings" about this very thing happening. Where do you think those "rumblings" being detected by local radio hosts or PR, not sure which? They aren't coming from Bowles. He would have no business even entertaining the topic of what happens if we're eliminated. And Licht has no business bringing that topic up with Bowles either in public or in private. Bowles needs to be focused on winning the division. So the rumblings have to be coming from Licht or his camp, or they're just being made up.
PR, on occasion, gets some inside info from One Buc on the condition that they keep the source on the down low and frame it as if it's being overheard at the watercooler. So I would presume that yes if the Bucs lose to Atlanta we'll see Trask start. But don't get too excited BucGator fans. Because Licht knows, if the Bucs are eliminated, a new coach is coming in and will want to draft a QB. Trask could be trade bait, and playing him could be more about increasing his trade value than it is about getting him ready to play for the Bucs. Or they could keep Canales who also would promote drafting a QB. And does Canales think Trask is a good fit for his offense? I don't think he's the best fit, which is why Mayfield is the starter. Yes Licht drafted Trask, but that's ancient history. The most likely result in this offseason is that Trask gets traded.
Mayfield does not deserve to be benched because of his play. That's a simple fact.
With a long history of presenting opinion as fact, you've done it again, Professor.
The biggest disappointments of the season were the Falcons game where he completed 66% for 275 and 1 INT.
And the Indy game where he didn't get protection.
Despite the excuses offered, Atlanta and Indy are definitely two games the team wins with better QB play. Those are also two teams that Tampa is more talented than, which is more of an indictment on Bowles than Mayfield.
While the Bucs aren't necessarily more talented than the Lions, Detroit is another game that the team wins with better QB play. The defense held the Lions' potent offense to 20 points - only the great Ravens defense has held that offense to less points this season. But Mayfield could only lead the Buccaneers offense to two measly FG's. Mayfield was poor this game.
If you want to bench Mayfield because the season's over and you want to see what Trask can do, that's fine.
That's been the point from when BM (or any vet QB) was signed. This team is going nowhere, even if they happen to make the playoffs. Baker Mayfield is a known quantity. The organization needs to find out if the guy they used a second round pick on is worth a damn or not. Despite whatever opinions you and others want to present as fact, nobody knows how the draft pick will perform with live bullets flying.
And lolz @ the "check" comments.
This team is going nowhere, even if they happen to make the playoffs.
This is where every "Trask now" poster loses all credibility. Literally, exposing the depths of their Gator love and/or Mayfield hate.
. He was injured but not bad enough to have to leave the game.
he went to the hospital
So did Chris Simms
JC, look no further than this thread to see why I say you're mostly a troll. You started by posting mostly FICTION about Bledsoe's replacement story being fiction lmao . . and then its just back pedal from there, obscuring whatever point you were trying to make
Point I'm making is that some teams are dumb and let good QBs rot on their bench (Saints with Delhomme was an example) and other teams have the balls to throw in an unknown QB (Pats with Brady, Cowboys with Romo). Sometimes teams get lucky and their starter gets injured and the backup ends up playing great (Kurt Warner, Brock Purdy, Dak, Cousins). Right now the Bucs are in the dumb category. And everyone busts my balls but in 2008 playing Griese over Luke McCown was the dumb decision that lacked balls and blew the playoffs. This team could have potentially made the playoffs if Trask was good. But we likely will never know.
imagine posting this . . . .
Despite whatever opinions you and others want to present as fact . . .
and this
This team is going nowhere,
as the premise for sitting Mayfield
Literally, Byggys is saying your opinions are not facts but mine is and, in fact (lol), is the reason the Bucs should bench Mayfield even with a coach who reportedly has to make the playoffs to keep his job (an actual fact)
Its that kind of obscene mental gymnastics that makes most of these discussions laughable
Right now the Bucs are in the dumb category.
The Bucs are not in the dumb category, they are in the VERY COMMON category of likely transitioning head coaches.
The reason I used the word "troll" is because MOST TIME, not all, you and others like you are arguing into the wind. You're suggesting that someone on the team is incompetent because they will not do something that almost NO ONE would do UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES.
TO THAT POINT: you and every "Trask now" supporter have actually tried to side step the REALITY that Bowles is coaching for his job by sinking all the way down to "so what if we make the playoffs."
This team is going nowhere, even if they happen to make the playoffs.
Hard to imagine a moire intellectually dishonest position WHEN most of those same posters EXPECTED ZERO at the beginning of the season AND have previousy posted here the NFL mantra of "just get to the playoffs and anything can happen."
But you have NO CHOICE but to dismiss the playoffs because its still a possibility. . . the very reason no Trask yet
That is TROLLING . . .
Have to love the IRONY of self-described football savants ALIGNED here with a poster who once falsely claimed to be a GM . . . and who just tried to equate Mayfield/Trask to Bledsoe/Brady . . . LITERALLY . . . by getting most of the facts wrong . . then back tracking . . then swerving . .
Perfectly underscores the lunacy of the position
