How many games do you need then to see what Trask has? Because if we agree that, even though we may not know what he has until the bullets fly, he doesn't necessarily increase the Bucs chances of success this year. The team is bad, not the QB particularly. You're putting in another QB with about the same level of ability and chance for success give or take a small difference. You don't just make a change for changes sake just to make people feel better.
It's just about evaluating/showcasing Trask for next year if there's an opportunity. Mostly showcasing. It's just to prove that he can run the offense in a real game situation, which I do believe he can do. But we know what he is. He's got a good arm, he can move around a little bit but not a lot. He can make throws. But he's not going to strike fear into defenses. Nobody thinks he will. If you look at a QB like Daniels or Nix or even McCarthy, they are going to be top 10 or 15 QBs in this league after a couple years, something there's no reason to think Trask will ever be. If he was going to be he'd be the starter right now.
How many games do you need then to see what Trask has?
I'd say at least 8-10 games of live action are needed to properly evaluate QB's.
Because if we agree that, even though we may not know what he has until the bullets fly, he doesn't necessarily increase the Bucs chances of success this year. The team is bad, not the QB particularly. You're putting in another QB with about the same level of ability and chance for success give or take a small difference. You don't just make a change for changes sake just to make people feel better.
You, like Bowles and other posters, seem only to be concerned about this year. This year is toast, whether they would like to admit it or not. The organization (read Jason Licht and the Glazers) needs to be concerned about the future of the organization. Baker Mayfield ain't it. Kyle Trask might not be either, but that's what they need to find out.
It's just about evaluating/showcasing Trask for next year if there's an opportunity. Mostly showcasing.
No, it's about evaluating. Trask may suck, so there won't be anything to showcase. That's the whole point: we don't know what Trask is.
But we know what he is.
lol, no you or anybody else doesn't. This is the problem, on multiple fronts. "We" think "we" know what Trask is, but "we" don't know dick in actuality.
Despite the excuses offered, Atlanta and Indy are definitely two games the team wins with better QB play. Those are also two teams that Tampa is more talented than, which is more of an indictment on Bowles than Mayfield.
While the Bucs aren't necessarily more talented than the Lions, Detroit is another game that the team wins with better QB play. The defense held the Lions' potent offense to 20 points - only the great Ravens defense has held that offense to less points this season. But Mayfield could only lead the Buccaneers offense to two measly FG's. Mayfield was poor this game.
Detroit, Atlanta, and Indy are definitely games that could’ve been won with above average QB play.
100%
Detroit was the most egregious.
Mayfield is not just a Bowles decision. In fact it might not even be Bowles. Licht has had a fascination with Mayfield since he was in college and he might even been drafted #7 by the Bucs if he was on the board.
Mayfield is not just a Bowles decision. In fact it might not even be Bowles. Licht has had a fascination with Mayfield since he was in college and he might even been drafted #7 by the Bucs if he was on the board.
no way! you think Licht is to blame?
Again I am confident Trask would be performing just as well if not better on the stat sheet. Trask inconclusively outperformed Baker in otas, Baker just won the guys over with his kind of leadership, trask has that tom brady leadership back when he wasn't tom brady, chill sit in the back wait for his turn to win games, a quiet confidence.
If Canales wants to be a HC he hangs his coattails onto Trask who doesn't have limitations in throwing it in the middle due to his short stature, have you guys noticed most of bakers passes are too the sidelines and rarely go to the middle where Godwin most of the time is, its because baker can't throw it across the middle hes worried about the batted pass/tip balls where if its tipped in teh middle its a pick and if youre worried about hands batting it down you are then aiming higher which can lead to balls sailing, his accuracy takes a hit because he is changing the launch angle. throws to the sideline he likes there will rarely be handsin the air. Nothing wrong with being safe but that is whats limiting this offense into what it is execution wise
I think 3 or 4 games is enough. I think poor play would only decrease his value slightly, but good play would increase it to a greater degree. I'm thinking that right now he'd be worth a 5th round pick because he's under a team friendly contract. If he sucks that could go down to nothing. If he played well then maybe he could find a team where his style of play would fit better and that could go up to a 3rd round pick. Just a guess of course. But if I had to gamble a 5th round pick with a 50% chance of getting a 3rd and 50% of getting nothing I'd take the bet.How many games do you need then to see what Trask has?
I'd say at least 8-10 games of live action are needed to properly evaluate QB's.
Because if we agree that, even though we may not know what he has until the bullets fly, he doesn't necessarily increase the Bucs chances of success this year. The team is bad, not the QB particularly. You're putting in another QB with about the same level of ability and chance for success give or take a small difference. You don't just make a change for changes sake just to make people feel better.
You, like Bowles and other posters, seem only to be concerned about this year. This year is toast, whether they would like to admit it or not. The organization (read Jason Licht and the Glazers) needs to be concerned about the future of the organization. Baker Mayfield ain't it. Kyle Trask might not be either, but that's what they need to find out.
It's just about evaluating/showcasing Trask for next year if there's an opportunity. Mostly showcasing.
No, it's about evaluating. Trask may suck, so there won't be anything to showcase. That's the whole point: we don't know what Trask is.
Of course, who knows what coach will come in, but I really think there's a strong possibility that Canales stays as the OC so that they don't have to start over again. In that case I don't think Trask is the best fit for the Canales offense. There are limitations of Mayfield as well. It will be interesting to see what a Canales offense can do with the right QB, one that would probably be available in the draft.
I think 3 or 4 games is enough.
QB A's first four starts:
1: 15/19, 160 yards, 2 TD, 0 Int, 8.4 YPA, & 79.0 comp. %
2: 15/28, 163 yards, 1 TD, 1 Int, 5.8 YPA, & 53.6 comp. %
3: 17/31, 181 yards, 0 TD, 1 Int, 5.8 YPA, & 54.8 comp. %
4: 10/18, 104 yards, 1 TD, 0 Int, 5.8 YPA, & 55.6 comp. %
TOTALS: 57/96, 608 yards, 4 TD, 2 Int, 6.3 YPA, & 59.4 comp. %
QB B's first four starts:
1: 23/33, 213 yards, 1 TD, 0 Int, 6.5 YPA, & 70.0 comp. %
2: 20/30, 204 yards, 2 TD, 0 Int, 6.8 YPA, & 66.7 comp. %
3: 19/33, 213 yards, 2 TD, 0 Int, 6.5 YPA, & 57.6 comp. %
4: 26/44, 374 yards, 2 TD, 0 Int, 8.5 YPA, & 59.1 comp. %
TOTALS: 88/140, 1,004 yards, 7 TD, 0 Int, 7.2 YPA, & 62.9 comp. %
So, since 3-4 games is enough, I assume you can tell me which one of these guys is a Hall of Famer and which one is a career backup.
I think poor play would only decrease his value slightly, but good play would increase it to a greater degree. I'm thinking that right now he'd be worth a 5th round pick because he's under a team friendly contract. If he sucks that could go down to nothing. If he played well then maybe he could find a team where his style of play would fit better and that could go up to a 3rd round pick. Just a guess of course. But if I had to gamble a 5th round pick with a 50% chance of getting a 3rd and 50% of getting nothing I'd take the bet.
I don't think anyone is talking about trading Trask, so I have no idea what you're talking about here. This organization needs to find out if he can play or not.
Mahomes first 4 starts was like 14 TDs, 0 INTs
Steve young first 19 starts had 11 TDs and 21 INTS.
no clue what point you are trying to make - Should we give Trask another 4 seasons to show he's got it? Is 64 games enough?
because how many QBs are given 2-3 years and aren't the guy?
How many QBs are not worth that investment? Didn't seem like the Vikings or Texans thought that way of their second round QBs that year - Mills performed admirably in his starts and nahhh just wasn't the guy and i think Mond is already selling used cars...or maybe on his second team...either way.
Trask will get his 4 starts
so the question becomes, what will Trask have to do in those 4 starts to warrant the Bucs not drafting a QB next year or worse signing a VET QB to start?
Comparing Young to Trask is just absurd on so many levels.
It’s almost as absurd as saying start Trask now because playoffs don’t matter.
no clue what point you are trying to make
That 4 starts isn't enough to evaluate QB's. I'm not sure how that could be anymore obvious, as I said it takes at least 8-10 starts.
