You never saw James Wilder play did you?apart from mike alstott, we never had any player on offense with significance anywhere close mike evans. one of the greatest bucs of all time, you simply can‘t let him go! we had derrick, ronde, waren and john on our best team ever, now we‘ve got mike and lavonte.
and yes, he is not the best offensive player who played in the bay, those were brady, gronk and that idiot brown, (steve young as well) but mike is a true buc who can carry this team and means a lot to the fans as well
@biggs3535 - I’m not sure who said it above, saying Godwin hasn’t had a good season this year with drops. What??? He just had his first drop of the season. Had the best percentage of all receivers.
But I love them both.
@biggs3535 - I’m not sure who said it above, saying Godwin hasn’t had a good season this year with drops. What??? He just had his first drop of the season. Had the best percentage of all receivers.
But I love them both.
I love them both as well. They have different skill sets. But Godwin has more than one drop this year, and I would argue more than two.
He had three drops in 142 snaps last year, or 1 drop every 47.33 targets.
He has two drops in 82 snaps last year, or 1 drop every 41 targets. That's not a huge difference, but there were a couple balls that Godwin had his hands and didn't reel in that weren't counted as drops. I'm sure he would tell you he should catch balls like that.
Again, I'm not bashing Godwin. I'm a fan. He's been one helluva 3rd round pick, but he's not better than Mike Evans. Evans is a true #1 WR, in every way. Godwin is an excellent #2 WR.
Mike Evans is the Bucs #1 receiver for sure, but theres a pretty easy argument that he's not really a true #1 if by that its meant that he is the CONDUIT for the offense.
Thats not a knock on Evans and if anything is at least partly reflection of the prevalence of zone defenses. Huge fan of Mike, but he's probably not in the top 10 against zones (Hill, Jefferson, Adams) but thats just a guess. He's probably #1 against man though, at least in my book. He is awesome because he is TALL and FAST. That combination makes him great in open spaces and against man. Not saying Evans cannot do the Godwin zone stuff, just that he typically does not because its not his role even though it is commonly the role of most true #1 receivers.
Godwin is the zone beater in the Bucs offense. Thats why BOTH guys are great and very important.
The Bucs are best in their current configuration -- Godwin and Evans - precisely because they are tough to stop when both are healthy, assuming Godwin is in his Arians' offense role.
Godwin is the zone beater in the Bucs offense.
Yet, Evans has SIGNIFICANTLY outperformed and out produced Godwin while facing zone coverage this year.
You never saw James Wilder play did you?
I loved to watch Wilder run. He was the best thing the Bucs had for a long while.
Mike Evans is the Bucs #1 receiver for sure, but theres a pretty easy argument that he's not really a true #1 if by that its meant that he is the CONDUIT for the offense.
Thats not a knock on Evans and if anything is at least partly reflection of the prevalence of zone defenses. Huge fan of Mike, but he's probably not in the top 10 against zones (Hill, Jefferson, Adams) but thats just a guess. He's probably #1 against man though, at least in my book. He is awesome because he is TALL and FAST. That combination makes him great in open spaces and against man. Not saying Evans cannot do the Godwin zone stuff, just that he typically does not because its not his role even though it is commonly the role of most true #1 receivers.
Godwin is the zone beater in the Bucs offense. Thats why BOTH guys are great and very important.
The Bucs are best in their current configuration -- Godwin and Evans - precisely because they are tough to stop when both are healthy, assuming Godwin is in his Arians' offense role.
lolz
You're smart to evade direct questions in response to your nonsense. Keep scouring.
Mike Evans is the Bucs #1 receiver for sure, but theres a pretty easy argument that he's not really a true #1 if by that its meant that he is the CONDUIT for the offense.
Thats not a knock on Evans and if anything is at least partly reflection of the prevalence of zone defenses. Huge fan of Mike, but he's probably not in the top 10 against zones (Hill, Jefferson, Adams) but thats just a guess. He's probably #1 against man though, at least in my book. He is awesome because he is TALL and FAST. That combination makes him great in open spaces and against man. Not saying Evans cannot do the Godwin zone stuff, just that he typically does not because its not his role even though it is commonly the role of most true #1 receivers.
Godwin is the zone beater in the Bucs offense. Thats why BOTH guys are great and very important.
The Bucs are best in their current configuration -- Godwin and Evans - precisely because they are tough to stop when both are healthy, assuming Godwin is in his Arians' offense role.
lolz
You're smart to evade direct questions in response to your nonsense. Keep scouring.
no idea what that means, but any response from you is better than this:
If the point of this is to highlight how little you know and/or how big of a pussy you are, we are in agreement. Otherwise, try attacking the task at hand.
Don't worry. Everybody here knows you don’t have chops to back up your stance that Atlanta, Houston, and now Indy is the better, more talented team. You simply don’t have the required football acumen to complete the task or the required shame to admit it. Instead, you shamelessly bump your ignorance and cowardice.
Godwin is a nice compliment but he's much easier to replace than Evans who can stretch the defense, and provide a larger target for a QB.
Godwin is probably slightly better in zone but his strengths have diminished with his knee injury. I view him as a nice zone, check down target and has trusted hands.
Don't get me wrong, I really like Godwin but you're seeing him produce less when he's not in the slot going against a cb3.
Evans draws the best CB, out produces him, and has done it for much longer while avoiding major injury.
The debate really isn't close. It was closer 3 years ago but even then, Evans was better.
I really like Godwin but you're seeing him produce less when he's not in the slot going against a cb3.
This is the really puzzling part of this year for Godwin. Someone said he’s outside for injury protection? Maybe PR reported that, not sure.
either way I agree his production is best inside, not outside
I also agree that Evans is the physical freak so harder to replace his combination of height/speed.
Godwin is the zone beater in the Bucs offense.
Yet, Evans has SIGNIFICANTLY outperformed and out produced Godwin while facing zone coverage this year.
by zone beater I mean Godwin is the one to find a whole in zone, sit down etc.
Evans production has been higher and they face more zone yes
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DH, you are a big PFF guy AND you only post facts you can back up so is Evans in the top 10 receivers this year against zone?
maybe tell is the top 10?
Godwin is the zone beater in the Bucs offense.
Yet, Evans has SIGNIFICANTLY outperformed and out produced Godwin while facing zone coverage this year.
argumentative?
here, I will let a Bucs coach answer
”He’s one of the rare receivers that I know that sees the game from a quarterback lens and understands what the defense is doing and what they’re trying to do,” Lewis said.
As for Godwin being Baker Mayfield’s most prolific target on third down this season, Lewis says Godwin’s catch-rate percentage is the real deal. Godwin is catching 73 percent of the balls sent in his direction this year. That’s a percentage point over his career average.
For perspective, Mike Evans is catching about 59 percent of passes this season, also a shade better than his career average, though below his rate during the Tom Brady years.
Lewis lauded Godwin’s smart decisions in zone coverage, and Todd Bowles added that Godwin is a little better than Evans in traffic.”
NOTHING I POSTED WAS CONTROVERSIAL
Basic stuff. Both are great but different
here, I will let a Bucs coach answer
Bwahahahaha!
Again, in the very simplistic view, Gwin just catches stuff. With Evans, I don't have the same "he's going to convert this no matter what" feeling. Its like the ball gets thrown his way and Im nervous and hold my breath about whether hes going to reel it in or is the drive is going to stall, I only exhale once hes actually caught it, my bad, I cant help the feelin. For me thats the diff, if I need to get the first down, I just have more faith in the "hands" of G, thats it. Evans IMHO has way higher big play ability though, they compliment each other well.
