Mike Evans has been seeing double teams since he entered the league. The didn't just start happening in 2022 with a "mostly injured" Chris Godwin racking up 100+ receptions & 1,000+ yards.
The mental gymnastics this dumb bastard attempts to execute is hilarious. Keep scouring, fucknuts.
Gage blew out his knee back pedaling and he’s a professional athlete. Keep on like that and you’re likely to break both hips
If you want a great example as to why Red Board traffic is down look no further then the posts above from Buggsy. To stir up and maintain an argument for the sake of arguing he’s literally saying Godwin is wrong about Godwin lol
Bowles is a liar too.
this is the kind of nonsense one encounters on the Red Board … all based on a post that said an effective Palmer at W3 would help the offense
lmao
because a Gronk is no different than a Brate!
Hmm…
Whats your definition of a “true underneath game”?
because a Gronk is no different than a Brate!
Hmm…
Whats your definition of a “true underneath game”?
well, to be fair you said it was "scheme, not an individual player" even though I didnt list an individual player. I said, in essence, Evans dropoff was not Evans getting worse (see Panthers game) it was the absence of an underneath game, by which I meant a way to pull a defense out of a deep shell. That is part scheme and part diminished talent.
In the OLD SCHEME with Leftwich calling plays , Gronk chnanges the dynamic ESPECIALLY over Brate. So does a healthy Godwin.Either one or both, with a Brady especially, makes a defense come forward because we pick them to death (The signature FAILING of the 2022 offense was an inability to sustain drives).
BETTER PLAY CALLING WOULD HELP TOO, especially with the running game but then again our LINE SUCKED . . two things, not one
It's a team sport with multiple components.
DO YOU EXPECT OTTON TO GO FOR 800 YDS, 8TDS? HE HAS A NEW BETTER SCHEME
Again, my initial point is hardly controversial, its that an effective W3 really helps the offense beyond the one players stats because it makes it tougher for teams to defend, just like Canales play calling and system should do the same
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well, to be fair you said it was "scheme, not an individual player" even though I didnt list an individual player
You've literally brought up Gronk 3+ times in your last 2 posts...so...yeah...you've listed an individual player.
I said, in essence, Evans dropoff was not Evans getting worse (see Panthers game) it was the absence of an underneath game, by which I meant a way to pull a defense out of a deep shell.
Okay. So, how would you go about that?
Again, my initial point is hardly controversial, its that an effective W3 really helps the offense beyond the one players stats because it makes it tougher for teams to defend,
You know what would make it even more effective and tougher for teams to defend?
Not running the same 4 route combos every game in a predictable order out of a predictable formation.
I said, in essence, Evans dropoff was not Evans getting worse (see Panthers game) it was the absence of an underneath game, by which I meant a way to pull a defense out of a deep shell.
Evans had more receptions, yards, & a higher YPR in 2022 than he did in 2021. The only “dropoff” was in TD’s. That “dropoff” was because of the guy you defended nonstop who didn’t know how to score points in the Red Zone. It had dick to with “the absence of an underneath game” with a "mostly injured" Chris Godwin racking up 100+ receptions & 1,000+ yards.
The worst part about dealing with ignorant idiots is they don’t realize they are ignorant idiots. This explains why you keep posting even after getting faced. You are simply a gasbag that has no idea what he’s talking about. Scour away, numbnuts.
Evans had more receptions, yards, & a higher YPR in 2022 than he did in 2021. The only “dropoff” was in TD’s.
Evans being double-teamed is nothing new. It's been that way his entire career (with some season resulting in him finishing in the Top-10 in most doubled or bracketed receiver in the league).
What's REALLY interesting is last year's numbers:
Evans was doubled on 155 of his 569 routes (thru Week 16) at a tick of 27%
Godwin was doubled on 134 of his 519 routes at a tick of 26%
As discussed ad nauseam, it was ridiculously predictable.
To further that point:
In 2022, Evans ran a total of 615 routes, and over 70% of them were either ins, outs, hitches or goes. He only ran a slant on 7.6% of his routes, and only was used on crossers on 3.7% of them.
We're clearly going to see something completely different this year. Even Evans knows it:
"I love what Dave has brought, a different type of energy," said Evans. "He's a real interesting guy, really fun to be around. In the past, I've been moved around a lot, but in this offense I'm going to be moved around even more, so it will be harder to get a double-team on me. I'm looking forward to seeing what we are able to do this year."
On what Evans has seen so far in the new offense:
"I'm moved all over the place," Evans reiterated. "Everybody has the same plays pretty much, it's just when to call them, they're called different things. But there's a few different routes I've never seen before and I look forward to running some of these different routes. It's going to be hard to stop some of these routes."
Evans again on the new offense:
"I'm going to be in more positions to get the ball, and that's what I want as a competitor, as a guy with my skillset," he said. "I want to be able to do everything. I don't want to be limited to just deep in-cuts, deep outs and go balls. I want to be able to do everything, because that's what I can do."
Evans had more receptions, yards, & a higher YPR in 2022 than he did in 2021. The only “dropoff” was in TD’s.
Evans being double-teamed is nothing new. It's been that way his entire career (with some season resulting in him finishing in the Top-10 in most doubled or bracketed receiver in the league).
What's REALLY interesting is last year's numbers:
Evans was doubled on 155 of his 569 routes (thru Week 16) at a tick of 27%
Godwin was doubled on 134 of his 519 routes at a tick of 26%
As discussed ad nauseam, it was ridiculously predictable.
To further that point:
In 2022, Evans ran a total of 615 routes, and over 70% of them were either ins, outs, hitches or goes. He only ran a slant on 7.6% of his routes, and only was used on crossers on 3.7% of them.
We're clearly going to see something completely different this year. Even Evans knows it:
"I love what Dave has brought, a different type of energy," said Evans. "He's a real interesting guy, really fun to be around. In the past, I've been moved around a lot, but in this offense I'm going to be moved around even more, so it will be harder to get a double-team on me. I'm looking forward to seeing what we are able to do this year."
On what Evans has seen so far in the new offense:
"I'm moved all over the place," Evans reiterated. "Everybody has the same plays pretty much, it's just when to call them, they're called different things. But there's a few different routes I've never seen before and I look forward to running some of these different routes. It's going to be hard to stop some of these routes."
Evans again on the new offense:
"I'm going to be in more positions to get the ball, and that's what I want as a competitor, as a guy with my skillset," he said. "I want to be able to do everything. I don't want to be limited to just deep in-cuts, deep outs and go balls. I want to be able to do everything, because that's what I can do."
I m a big Evans fan. There are some obvious parallels between Evans and Moss. A new coach once instituted the "Randy Ratio." It didn't go so well, even though Randy was damn good
Again, huge fan of Evans so certainly hope it works. Certainly think the motion is great.
The only “dropoff” was in TD’s.
one of the funniest f***ing posts ever ^^^
almost as funny is the circular logic. "The player caller was the LONE problem . . but Evans had a great year. . . but the new offense is going to get him more open"
Again, this is the HEAD COACH after Evans torched the SINGLE HIGH/man covering Panthers
“They’ve been having a safety over the top and he’s been doubled most of the year, so (the deep ball) really hasn’t been there,” coach Todd Bowles said Monday. “We caught (the Panthers) in some single coverage and we made them pay.”
Little tougher to roll that safety over when you have Gronk, Brown, Godwin and Evans and a running game
fOotbALL Is cOmplICAted!
because of the guy you defended nonstop
Buggsy, this is you admitting you're a lying troll
Saying the OC sucks BUT THERES MORE TO IT . .. is not defending let alone defending nonstop. LMAO In fact, "defending nonstop" is the sort of hyperbole a dope like you posts because you know youre a dope . .
who now posts "the only dropoff was in TDs"
bwhahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
harry absolutely nailed you. Mr PPP
Actual Panther players -- the freaking safety -- talking about Evans LONE big game last year:
"Some of them were difficult, some of them we were in bad spots," Woods said. "The one on CJ was my fault. I was supposed to protect him on that one. I was supposed to roll coverage to him, was supposed to be over the top of it."
Woods said when Brady pump-faked, he hesitated. Evans slowed his route before accelerating past Henderson and then took off and was wide open.
"That wasn't on CJ," Woods said. "The rest of them were man coverage, and he's a good receiver."
Buggys, you hate interweb scouring so much because its made you cough up so many fur balls. VRA, PPP loans, Rand paul . . .Evan "only down in TDs" . .. all the interweb clowning you AND ALWAYS AFTER YOU POSTED A BUNCH OF TRASH TALKING
lol
Little tougher to roll that safety over when you have Gronk, Brown, Godwin and Evans and a running game
Yet, in 2019, Evans had nearly 1,200 yards with 8 TD’s. That was with a running game that was ranked in the bottom quarter of the league and a 3.7ypc average.
No Gronk. No Brown.
The year before that?
Over 1,500 yards receiving and 8 TD’s with yet another abysmal running game and no Gronk or Brown.
Little tougher to roll that safety over when you have Gronk, Brown, Godwin and Evans and a running game
Yet, in 2019, Evans had nearly 1,200 yards with 8 TD’s. That was with a running game that was ranked in the bottom quarter of the league and a 3.7ypc average.
No Gronk. No Brown.
The year before that?
Over 1,500 yards receiving and 8 TD’s with yet another abysmal running game and no Gronk or Brown.
Come on man . . . dont be Buggsy
In 2018, the last year of Dirk (?) the Bucs threw the ball a ton, top 3 or 4 in attempts (around 600+) and top 3 or for (probably) in yards per attempt (around 8). They were alos 5-11(?) or something
2019 is the FIRST year of Arians offense (you're comparing it to the LAST years later) and the last for WINSTON where they literally aired it out nonstop (600ish) to the tune of 5000 plus yards but also 30 plus interceptions
as heavy as those passing stats are in those years, in 2022 . . .
751 attempts from the GOAT but down to 6 yards per attempt and Evans only has 6 tds -- compared to 13 in 2020 when they threw 100+ fewer times and 14 in 2021
(hilarious to watch two guys who self-identify as football smart, but who are so committed to a singular black/white point of view that they are actually arguing that MORE weapons (like Grobk and Brown and Godwin!) does NOT help Mike Evans . . again, the point of the original post in this thread)
Everything you guys are arguing about Evans can actually be dismantled SOLELY by looking at Bucs versus Cowboys games. Its true. we started 2021 with a shootout game AND WON. Look at the stats for that game, grownk, brown etc. AND MAKE SURE TO READ THE BOTTOM (OUCH).
We then go to the 2022 season starter, no film, Fournette goes off. The season goes downhill from there MOSDT NOTABLY in the run game buts also Evans TDs
we go to the playoff game aAGANST THE COWBOYS and WHAT DOES EVANS HIMSELF SAY BEFORE THAT GAME:
come on, you know . .
"When asked about Cowboys’ depleted secondary, Mike Evans said “When we are healthy, it doesn’t matter who the DBs are.” Laughed, “I hope I get a lot of Cover 1.”
repeat -- "I HOPE I GET A LOT OF COVER 1"
why does that matter? why would he say that?
come on, you know . . . two reasons
1. Evans makes that comment after he blew out the Panthers who played him basically Cover 1 AND
2. DAN QUINN'S DEFENSE - heavy MAN cover 1?
How did it turn out? Evan had 6 or 7 catches at an average of only 11 or 12 yards. His career average is 15+. AND THEY THREW THE BALL DEEP TO HIM A COUPLE TIMES with no success even though one of their touchdowns was a 30+ yard pass to . . . Julio?
thye rolled a safety to him.
why did that work this time? well, that THE FINAL TOUCH?
unlike the playoff where the Bucs were dominated by Quinn's defense, the Bucs absolutely TORCHED Quinns defense previously, a defense that was blitzing like crazy (in the later playoff loss the Cowboys often got there with BECAUSE OUR LINE SUCKED) and playing Quinn man coverage and this is a cowboys fan site discussing that torching by pointing to . . wait for it. . .FILM (lol) and the dilemma faced by Cowboys safeties:
"If you are going to run so many man-coverage plays, here is what you are asking.
Trevon Diggs locked up with Mike Evans. He did very well.
Anthony Brown was covering Antonio Brown all night. That didn’t go well at all. Antonio Brown looked like the best receiver in football, which he was not so long ago before he seemed to derail his own career. He finished with five catches on seven targets for 121 yards and a touchdown, and Brady had a QB rating of 153.3 when throwing to Brown.
And Lewis was assigned to Chris Godwin. And that went as we could have predicted. Godwin caught nine passes on 14 targets for 105 yards and a touchdown, and Brady had a QB rating of 110.7 when throwing to him despite a drop that would have made him the leading receiver on the night.
The bottom line on that is if you want Lewis covering Godwin with no help, you are in big trouble. In fact, you might recall the long touchdown to Antonio Brown was a result of the safety rolling to help Lewis (who had fallen) and that left Anthony Brown without help — which he badly needed.
Damontae Kazee is the safety up top who has two open receivers. He can go to only one of those red circles and whichever one he chooses, Brady is going to throw to the other one for a touchdown. There is really no third possible outcome. And if you want to be further depressed, you can also see Leighton Vander Esch trying to run with Gronkowski and Jaylon Smith trailing Leonard Fournette. So, essentially, the Bucs have four open receivers as the Cowboys try to play man coverage without the players who can carry this out."
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I’m impressed how y’all can decipher what this methhead keeps spouting on and on about. Props.
