The quickest -- and probably only -- path to our next Super Bowl win requires acquiring an elite QB. Barring us trading for Aaron Rogers, who is a head case who would destroy our cap, typically the only way to get one through the draft. Also, acquiring an elite QB through the draft means you can use your cap space on other players while the new QB is on his rookie contract.
Even if we were to start Trask this year and go, say, 7-10 or even 6-11, we would still need to trade up to have a shot at a top QB in next year's draft. I think we should seek to trade our 2023 first round pick to another team in exchange for their 2024 first round pick along with maybe a 3rd or 4th rounder (as much as we can get). Not trade down this year, but trade out of the first round this year for high picks in next year's draft. That would position us to make a run at a top QB in the 2024 draft, which should be a strong QB draft.
I know we have other needs as we rebuild our roster, but all other needs dward compared to the need for an elite QB. Plus, forgoing our 1st round pick this year would make us worse in 2023 than if we had that pick, and being worse this year increases our odds of having a high draft pick next year to begin with.
Thoughts?
I agree. Here are three trades that might work:
Chiefs trade #31 and #63 for Bucs #19
Bengals trade #28 and #60 for Bucs #18
Bills trade#27 and #59 for Bucs #19
All three trades are close according to the Trade Chart with the Chiefs matching the closest.
1) You are saying we should tank, but trade our first pick so we can trade up next year. But why would we need to trade up if we tank?
2) There are better ways to tank. Why not trade highly paid veteran players for draft picks instead? Wouldn't that make more sense? The veterans are going to help you win, which you don't want to do. I'm experienced in the NFL, having played dynasty fantasy football. The idea is to trade your high producing veterans, not your draft picks.
3) Todd Bowles. He's not going to be OK with that. Licht makes the decisions, but he's not going to throw his HC under the bus by trading the badly needed first round pick. I don't remember anybody trading their first round pick just to get another one next year. In the Not For Long league a year is a long time to wait.
I'm experienced in the NFL, having played dynasty fantasy football.
LOLZ…..
Why trade picks? That’s gunna help us get under the cap?
lets trade white or Donovan or one of our immensely overpaid WRs first.
rookie contracts are cheap.
non rookie contracts are not. For good players anyway.
Trading a first round pick would all not ensure we'd have to trade someone we don't wanna trade, or cut someone we don't wanna cut.
We need draft picks now and quickly.
Licht needs to draft well because his last 2 drafts have been mostly hot fucking garbage
Agreed/ Licht hasn't drafted nearly as well as people think. He's blown (potentially) 2 QB picks,his oline picks have been spotty and ill-timed,his DB picks are of the "multiple selections in one draft" type hence all the FA db's this year,and he reaches for the "shiny object (OJ Howard) too much. I pray Michael Mayer isn't there at 19 because you know Licht will take him.
Trading a first round pick would all not ensure we'd have to trade someone we don't wanna trade, or cut someone we don't wanna cut.
We need draft picks now and quickly.
Licht needs to draft well because his last 2 drafts have been mostly hot fucking garbage
Trading down or trading the 1st round pick for a player isn't a bad idea. Because the NFL as a whole overrates 1st round picks and underrates 2nd and 3rd round picks.
A flaw in your argument is you thinking the Bucs can win 6 or 7 games with Trask. Bucs were a 2-3 win this year if you replace Brady with an average QB. Now you're talking about a worse roster because of the cap and replacing Brady with a below average or maybe even a bottom QB.
Trade down for more picks sounds good until a player like Bryan Breese slips out the top 12 and you have a legitmate shot to make a move on him. Don't think that stud falls that far but him being within top 15 is realistic. And with a pressing need for pass rush, he'd be someone to ensure to get.
We should absolutely NOT trade Mike or Chris.
They are not "overpaid" and trading them doesn't HELP AT ALL WITH THE CAP.
And tanking should NEVER be suggested by anyone!
Tanking is a complete loser mentality and the ONLY reason ANYONE suggests it is because THEY WANT TODD BOWLES FIRED ABOVE ANYTHING ELSE.
The further back you draft the more of a crapshoot your pick becomes. In the 2021 draft 9 of the eventual 11 Probowlers were drafted in the first two rounds. And most of those were 1st rounders. The talent drops off quickly. We’ve seen that with our late 1st round picks recently… JTS and Logan Hall. If you’re taking the 5th or 6the best DT from a draft class you’re probably not getting much value.
The further back you draft the more of a crapshoot your pick becomes. In the 2021 draft 9 of the eventual 11 Probowlers were drafted in the first two rounds. And most of those were 1st rounders. The talent drops off quickly. We’ve seen that with our late 1st round picks recently… JTS and Logan Hall. If you’re taking the 5th or 6the best DT from a draft class you’re probably not getting much value.
Draft isn't a crap shoot but even if it was you would want more picks. Using the trade chart, I'd rather have picks #50, #53 and #99 than just pick #19. Looking back at the 2013 draft, the 3rd round had better players go than the 1st round.
@jc5100 - as I was reading your reply I was listening to 620 WDAE and them talking about how much of a crapshoot the draft is. Funny timing. But you may have the eye for talent that we need. Guaranteed pro bowl picks from JC. Anyway, in the real world, the majority of HOFers and All-Pro’s get picked in the first round. Because as the draft goes on it becomes more and more of a crapshoot. Let’s take the best guy at 19 and hopefully it works out.
The further back you draft the more of a crapshoot your pick becomes. In the 2021 draft 9 of the eventual 11 Probowlers were drafted in the first two rounds. And most of those were 1st rounders. The talent drops off quickly. We’ve seen that with our late 1st round picks recently… JTS and Logan Hall. If you’re taking the 5th or 6the best DT from a draft class you’re probably not getting much value.
Draft isn't a crap shoot but even if it was you would want more picks. Using the trade chart, I'd rather have picks #50, #53 and #99 than just pick #19. Looking back at the 2013 draft, the 3rd round had better players go than the 1st round.
lmao.
most people who follow football and anyone with google would pick 2013 as an historically awful first round draft class.
you’re making shit up to sound like you know what you’re talking about OR you don’t understand what an outlier is.
as someone posts above suggests, you draft 3rd round only against a team that drafts 1st and 2nd only and your team will get its ass kicked repeatedly
there’s tons of variability in the NFL Draft because we are talking about drafting humans. But, let’s not pretend like NFL teams have less experience, knowledge and INFORMATION than every fan.
Trading our 1st round pick is an asinine idea.
Plus, Licht has been pretty bad in the 2nd round so I don't trust him.
