@jc5100 - as I was reading your reply I was listening to 620 WDAE and them talking about how much of a crapshoot the draft is. Funny timing. But you may have the eye for talent that we need. Guaranteed pro bowl picks from JC. Anyway, in the real world, the majority of HOFers and All-Pro’s get picked in the first round. Because as the draft goes on it becomes more and more of a crapshoot. Let’s take the best guy at 19 and hopefully it works out.
I can inform you of your ignorance but unfortunately I cannot save you from it. Forming your football tenets from sports talk radio is a losing proposition.
The further back you draft the more of a crapshoot your pick becomes. In the 2021 draft 9 of the eventual 11 Probowlers were drafted in the first two rounds. And most of those were 1st rounders. The talent drops off quickly. We’ve seen that with our late 1st round picks recently… JTS and Logan Hall. If you’re taking the 5th or 6the best DT from a draft class you’re probably not getting much value.
Draft isn't a crap shoot but even if it was you would want more picks. Using the trade chart, I'd rather have picks #50, #53 and #99 than just pick #19. Looking back at the 2013 draft, the 3rd round had better players go than the 1st round.
lmao.
most people who follow football and anyone with google would pick 2013 as an historically awful first round draft class.
you’re making shit up to sound like you know what you’re talking about OR you don’t understand what an outlier is.
as someone posts above suggests, you draft 3rd round only against a team that drafts 1st and 2nd only and your team will get its ass kicked repeatedly
there’s tons of variability in the NFL Draft because we are talking about drafting humans. But, let’s not pretend like NFL teams have less experience, knowledge and INFORMATION than every fan.
Our 1st round pick is worth two #2s and one #3. So I don't know why you're saying 1st and 2nd vs 3rd. I'm saying 1st vs 2nd, 2nd and 3rd. I used 2013 because it's 10 years later and the dust has settled. 2012 had a better 2nd/3rd round class than 1st. 2014 is close but I give the edge to the 1st round. 2011 1st rounders win. So its definitely not an outlier.
NFL doesn't listen to their own information. That's how you end up with Winston and Haskins going high.
@jc5100 - you wouldn’t even know how to start talking football with me big boy. Been around, played it, coached it, built programs. So whatever ignorance you’re thinking of must be from your lack of understanding. But it’s okay, we need fans with all ranges of football knowledge. You’ll help with the curve. Damn, what a dumbass.
The Bucs have 25 free agents not including Leornard Fournette/Donovan Smith/Cameron Brate. With the Bucs in cap crisis trading down to get additional picks absolutely makes sense to fill the void that free agency will cause. There are at least four teams that trading up to #19 to get an impact player could help them stay in the playoffs. (Bengals/Chiefs/Bills and Giants).
The Bucs could still stay in round one and pick up a second pick in round 2. There is a great deal of talent in round 2.
@jc5100 - you wouldn’t even know how to start talking football with me big boy. Been around, played it, coached it, built programs. So whatever ignorance you’re thinking of must be from your lack of understanding. But it’s okay, we need fans with all ranges of football knowledge. You’ll help with the curve. Damn, what a dumbass.
If your football acumen was so high you wouldn't have cited 620 WDAE.
@jc5100 - No. That was only funny timing to hear as I was reading your message. Your good. Go be a Bucs fan.
Maybe my initial post launching this thread wasn't sufficiently clear, because almost all of the replies missed my point:
"The quickest -- and probably only -- path to our next Super Bowl win requires acquiring an elite QB. Barring us trading for Aaron Rogers, who is a head case who would destroy our cap, typically the only way to get one through the draft. Also, acquiring an elite QB through the draft means you can use your cap space on other players while the new QB is on his rookie contract."
I was not recommending trading down this year. I was recommend pursuing a strategy that has a decent probability of enabling us to get an elite QB through the draft NEXT year. Could we engage on this question: What is your strategy for winning the Super Bowl again within the next 5 years? In my mind, loading up on high draft picks so that we have ammo to move up next year is the most promising strategy. And trading our 2023 #1 pick for someone else's 2024 #1 and #3 pick, for example, is a good way to advance that strategy. Another way to load up on picks is to trade some of our top veterans, and I am not opposed to that either. I think acquiring an elite QB is the essential component to winning another Super Bowl in the next few years. If you disagree with my proposed strategy for how to acquire one, please suggest your alternative strategy.
