J Dub: I think you are right. Constant loss and the Glazers' just might move the franchise.The point is would the Bucs be better with a new coach and a new staff, and if so who might those persons be.We have tried change in the past and except for Gruden it wasn't so good (but Gruden shows it could be good).
Raheem was a real long shot. A very young DB coach with absolutely no experience as a coordinator, much less a head coach. Odds were against us with that move. Schiano showed a knack for developing guys in college, but never really won anything. He's a overbearing control freak that can mold 18 year old kids into men, but has never done anything even close to proving he is a good football coach. Especially in the NFL. Another long shot. Maybe we should stop stacking the odds against our own success?How about a HC with some real HC experience in the NFL? Whisenhunt? Mike Nolan? Del Rio? Lovie? Kubiak? Maybe a proven NFL coordinator like Roman? Zimmer? Bevell? There are some really good candidates and while none of them are sure things, none of them are long shots like Morris and Schiano.
It is definitely time for the Glazers boys to look in the mirror and ask who keeps making these awful hires.
Schiano's $3M per year is peanuts compared to what the Glazers stand to lose if we have another awful season in 2014. Schithead's salary shouldn't and likely will not be a factor in thier decision.
Serious question. What do they stand to lose?
I don't think they can keep the franchise if things don't turn around soon. I mean how many years can you have awful attendance and merchandise sales before you just have to sell? They can't be making money on this franchise.....can they?
It isn't a question of making cash it is opportunity cost unless they just dont care about money.I think the fact that they tried to be the good soldiers and guarantee sell outs says they were sorta swinging for the fences this year. Not sure they will keep doing that and if they stop we'll be right back to the world of "blackout in Tampa" stories again.
0-8 is 0-8 and just can't be defended. Now if the I am one of the owners I probably already know about the leaks and who dropped the dime. I would need to know how much of 0-8 was Freeman's fault. Knowing the players haven't quit is a check mark in the plus column. One thing I will push hard for is new assistants.
If I were one of the Glazers.- I would trade Manchester United for a hoagie and a coke.- Get a fly toupee- Use big words. Like 3 syllables.- Have a giant rolex for a dog collar for my dog- Wear power ranger light up shoes.- Buy everything I see from those spam ads- Buy a delorean.- Have a pet dinosaur.- Eat diamonds.- Buy The Philadelphia Eagles.- Release everyone on the Eagles.- Relocate the Eagles to Syria.- Have Syrian Eagles sign Tim Tebow.
Schiano's $3M per year is peanuts compared to what the Glazers stand to lose if we have another awful season in 2014. Schithead's salary shouldn't and likely will not be a factor in thier decision.
Serious question. What do they stand to lose?
I don't think they can keep the franchise if things don't turn around soon. I mean how many years can you have awful attendance and merchandise sales before you just have to sell? They can't be making money on this franchise.....can they?
The NFL does shared revenue or something like that. Our fanbase is already at the bottom, how much farther can it sink?
J Dub: The points you make have validity.The Bucs successful coaching change was to a young, successful coach from the Pro Ranks---GrudenStill change often is a step backwards, at least to begin with. It is definitely a gamble.The Browns have had 7 coaches starting with Palmer in 1999. AND Palmer replaced Belichick---so their is a problem with pulling the plug too early on a coach.Oakland has had 7 coaches starting in 2002 with Callahan who replaced Gruden.So change doesn't necessarily guarantee success.It's just so uncompromising. If you are going to succeed as a franchise, you have to, in general, make better decisions than the other 31 teams, to say nothing about good luck with injuries..Schiano seems to have some skill develooping players in the Pros---David---McCoy has gotten better--Foster--Dotson--Martin--Wright--Barron.There are some promising elements arising under Schiano. Just wouldn't like to pull the plug too early like Cleveland with Belichick
Put yourself in the Glazers shoes. Are you going to fire somebody when you would have to pay him for another 3 years? I don't believe I would have gotten a solid look at him yet after two. Not after the crap that Freemam did for us. If I'm the Glazers I look and see how he does in these final three games. I make a solid assessment about what Schiano could do if we gave him another year and then plan for next year. I think it's wise to see what you could do this season as far as HC goes but if you believe it would be starting over I keep going with Schiano. At least for one more year.
I would sell to Eddie Debartolo...or Chris Sullivan...that way I could pay attention to Man U...OBD
At this point I would say it's probably a sure thing we keep Schiano. Here's why.1. He was given a clear directive by the owners to clean up the mess Raheem left...no order, discipline etc. He did Why are we the most penalized team in the entire nfl and we just broke out of our pre season funk in week 9?2. Got stuck with a QB ( Look what he's doing to Minnesota ) that had many issues so he year 1 was wasted...he also cleaned that up and under the circumstances it doing well with a rookie QB. So Freeman wasted the first year in which he shattered the franchise records? Truth is, without Freeman, Schiano probably only wins 2 or 3 games last year. Go back and watch it if you dont believe.3. Has done well in the draft and free agency... David, Baron, Martine, etc. While he has done a good job of getting talent, I wont try to present a counter point at all.4. Dealt with all the distractions including MRSA and Freeman and keep the team focused...shows good leadership. Focused is not 0-8.5 Team chemistry is good and playing hard even though the year has been a waste. Too little too late.6. Had to assemble a coaching staff very late in his hiring...made some changes last year but I think more will be made after this season. He has more assistants than anyone in the entire nfl.7. Injuries plagued the team at critical positions...did not use it as an excuse and team played well with replacements. Thats good that he doesnt use that as an excuse, because nobody gave Raheem a pass in 2011 when his team with scant talent lost his most talented players on offence and defense.Therefore I think the 3rd year will be the most accurate assessment on Schiano. I believe continuity at this point is vital so lets see we he could without all the distractions he had this year. Starting over would not be easy. The players he has now have bought in to the system...another year is critical. The system is an issue. The players are playing hard, but nobody can really buy into a system that is as fatally flawed as this one.
All that red font, I thought the Swalpek had returned!
The Browns have had 7 coaches starting with Palmer in 1999. AND Palmer replaced Belichick---so their is a problem with pulling the plug too early on a coach..... .....Just wouldn't like to pull the plug too early like Cleveland with Belichick
I could be remembering wrong, so please correct me if I am wrong, but didn't Belicheat leave Cleveland because the owner moved the franchise to Baltimore and became the Ravens in 1996, with an entire new front office and staff? And I don't think Chris Palmer replaced Belicheat. Palmer was named head coach of the Browns when they returned to the league three years later. So unless I am remembering all wrong, I think your example is a bad one.
J Dub: For what it's worth. Belichick went 5-11 in 1995 with the Browns.Model announced he would move the team, but assured Belichick he would be the coach.Model fired Belichick in Feb 1996.It's not so much Belichick, it wanted to make the point that some coaches are fired too early, and just changing coaches is not the answer. I chose Cleveland at random, but many of the lower ranked teams have had a parade of coaches without success/.
I get what your are saying island, but I don't think the the list of great HCs that started out being horrible, is a very long list. I know there are examples of it happening, but most are from 20 years ago or longer. This game hardly resembles the game in the 70s, 80s, 0r 90s.....so I really don't put too much stock into how things went back then. Colleges are pumping out NFL ready prospects at a much higher level nowadays, the NFL has become more like college and college has become more like the NFL....which makes the transition much easier, plus the rule changes have made it much easier for young QBs to succeed right away. My point is today's HC and QBs shouldn't get 3 or 4 years to show promise anymore. In today's game the good ones almost always show you they belong right away. I think the days of getting 3 to 5 years for HCs and QBs are long gone. They get a year or two and that's it. They don't have to be winning Super Bowls, but they have to find success and show they are legit, or it's on to the next guy. You have teams firing HCs that have gone to the Playoffs two of the last three years. HCs that finished 10-6. HCs that have been around for years and proven they are great. That is the NFL that exists today. It's cut throat and you have to demand excellence if you ever want to be a consistent contender. Settling with a HC that has been below average for two seasons and a Qb that has looked average at best....is not going to get us anywhere but the bottom.Tony Dungy lead us to 5 winning seasons in a row and had a top 10 defense every year....but he didn't get to the big game and so we fired him. We replaced him because we demanded better. That kind of cut throat philosophy and sky high expectations got us a Super Bowl victory. What the hell happened that we are now content with a 5-19 run?
J Dub, I get your points. Certainly the game has changed. Near term the Bucs are 4-1.Has Schiano turned the corner?. I don't know, but I blame the 2nd half of last year and the first haslf of this year on Free's lack of motivation, so I am not yet ready to blame the earlier lack of success solely on Schiano.It is perfectly all right for you and I to differ. I see more of a risk to a new coach than going with Schiano another year.It doesn't make me right or wrong at this moment. A year from now my outlook could be different.I need more of Glennon to see if he is the anwer. He needs to keep improving. Can he?? I don't know. But whereas at the time I though his draft was way out of line.....now in the hindsight of time, it has made the 2nd half of the season somewhat enjoyable.I don't expect the Bucs to do well with SF or NO. So I am looking to the game at St. Louis to try to get a better reading on Glennon.I enjoyed our discussion.
Depends on who's available on the coaching market after the season. If the timing had been better, I would have liked to see what Andy Reid could have done in Tampa.
