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Posted by: @firebowles2023

I'll always take playoffs over playing for a pick if we are in the hunt.

But if you're eliminated then just bench the starters. Play Trask.

That time has come and gone. 

 

 

 
Posted : Dec. 23, 2023 11:05 pm
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Posted by: @badabingbucs

Making the playoffs is a big deal for this franchise 

And it’s part of the process for players. 

one reason we win the 2002 Super Bowl  is the sting of the Bert Emanuel game loss. 

I assume that last year many of the players knew they were dead in the playoffs, aside from pure Brady magic. If we got to the playoffs this year then even with a first round exit it would be a building block for players like White, Kancey, Otton etc 

 
Posted : Dec. 24, 2023 10:55 am
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I’d like to see more of what he did last week on a more consistent basis. For instance, if he and the offense look like they did against the Packers for the remaining games, I’d be down to give him a contract extension. My guess is it’ll probably be something similar to what Geno got in Seattle. 3-year $70-something million 

Regardless of all that, it seems like he’s getting an extension based off of reports and Licht basically tweeting it after the last game. So…

 
Posted : Dec. 24, 2023 11:14 am
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Posted by: @bucd

I’d like to see more of what he did last week on a more consistent basis. For instance, if he and the offense look like they did against the Packers for the remaining games, I’d be down to give him a contract extension. My guess is it’ll probably be something similar to what Geno got in Seattle. 3-year $70-something million 

Regardless of all that, it seems like he’s getting an extension based off of reports and Licht basically tweeting it after the last game. So…

Think of the alternative.  Going into the draft with the 19th pick and hoping to get your franchise QB there to compete with Trask.  The reason Licht drafted Trask in the first place was just to have choices.  The only reason Trask hasn't gotten his chance is that the Bucs have been incredibly lucky (knocking on wood) that ever since he's been drafted the starting QB hasn't missed a game.  That's unusual, and Licht knows that he needs more than one decent QB.  But even if the Bucs are planning to draft a QB they can't predict what's going to happen on draft day, and they can't guarantee that a pick in the last half of the round is going to bloom into a franchise QB right away.  If Licht thinks he has a good roster of players he has to eliminate the risk factor at the most important position of QB and get Mayfield signed.  

 

 
Posted : Dec. 24, 2023 11:29 am
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Just read the Baker article.  It's not rocket science to figure out the Bucs need to keep Baker.  

Here are the likely FA choices beef up the QB room along with Trask and/or a rookie draftee:

Tier 1:

Baker Mayfield

Gardner Minshew (proving to be a capable starter)

Drew Lock (experience with Canales)

Kirk Cousins (coming off injury he won't be able to practice in the offseason or preseason).  

Tier 2:

John Wolford

Tyler Huntley

Mason Rudolph 

Easton Stick

Jake Browning

Nathan Rourke

Tyrod Taylor

 

 
Posted : Dec. 24, 2023 12:03 pm
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Posted by: @badabingbucs

Making the playoffs is a big deal for this franchise 

And it’s part of the process for players. 

one reason we win the 2002 Super Bowl  is the sting of the Bert Emanuel game loss. 

I assume that last year many of the players knew they were dead in the playoffs, aside from pure Brady magic. If we got to the playoffs this year then even with a first round exit it would be a building block for players like White, Kancey, Otton etc 

Talking about winning the old NFC Central, which was murders row in the late 90s, in the same post as winning the current NFC South is ridiculous. 

 

 
Posted : Dec. 24, 2023 12:14 pm
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Posted by: @badabingbucs

Making the playoffs is a big deal for this franchise 

And it’s part of the process for players. 

one reason we win the 2002 Super Bowl  is the sting of the Bert Emanuel game loss. 

I assume that last year many of the players knew they were dead in the playoffs, aside from pure Brady magic. If we got to the playoffs this year then even with a first round exit it would be a building block for players like White, Kancey, Otton etc 

Talking about winning the old NFC Central, which was murders row in the late 90s, in the same post as winning the current NFC South is ridiculous. 

 

The team is what it's record says it is.   If you are 8-9 you are 8-9 regardless of whether you are in first or last in the division.  8-9 is 8-9.  It's a losing record.  If the Bucs can finish with a winning record that would be a big deal IMO.  

 

 
Posted : Dec. 24, 2023 12:23 pm
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Posted by: @badabingbucs

Making the playoffs is a big deal for this franchise 

And it’s part of the process for players. 

one reason we win the 2002 Super Bowl  is the sting of the Bert Emanuel game loss. 

I assume that last year many of the players knew they were dead in the playoffs, aside from pure Brady magic. If we got to the playoffs this year then even with a first round exit it would be a building block for players like White, Kancey, Otton etc 

Talking about winning the old NFC Central, which was murders row in the late 90s, in the same post as winning the current NFC South is ridiculous. 

 

That not what I was talking about.  Thats what you are talking about

 

My point -- hopefully obvious to most -- is that teams often lose, regroup and then excel

 

The 2002 Bucs couldnt get past the Eagles . . . and then they could. And then we owned the Eagles for a while.

 

 

 

 
Posted : Dec. 24, 2023 2:29 pm
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Just read the Baker article.  It's not rocket science to figure out the Bucs need to keep Baker.  

Here are the likely FA choices beef up the QB room along with Trask and/or a rookie draftee:

Tier 1:

Baker Mayfield

Gardner Minshew (proving to be a capable starter)

Drew Lock (experience with Canales)

Kirk Cousins (coming off injury he won't be able to practice in the offseason or preseason).  

Tier 2:

John Wolford

Tyler Huntley

Mason Rudolph 

Easton Stick

Jake Browning

Nathan Rourke

Tyrod Taylor

 

This list just highlights the poor QB play in the NFL right now. I’d quibble with your tiers, but ultimately it’s inconsequential. There are a lot of teams with sub-par to shitty QB play, and that’s the main point.

Is BM better than most of those QB’s? Yes, he is. Outside of Cousins, they are all backup QB’s. Does that mean BM should be overpaid QB starter money? No, it does not.

 

 
Posted : Dec. 24, 2023 4:50 pm
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