He had some drops for sure but I think his frustration came from an offense that didn't allow him to find rhythm...because lefty was designing plays for others, especially in the red zone, but nothing for Evans...
It's always a combo of things. Brady had a bunch of errant passes because the line stunk and he struggled to step into throws. He also refused to take any hit whatsoever.
But Evans just had a ton of junk thrown his way AND he played poorly... but lefty made everything more difficult than it had to be... never saw any schemed open. It was so vanilla that Evans routes were easily read etc.
This is why not playing Scotty Miller was such a big issue. Safeties were aligned closer to the LOS and screwing down more often.
I bet Scotty Miller's agent wishes you actually were a GM. He would have already received a big money deal after that impressive 8.0 YPC stat last season, instead of flailing around in FA.
And everyone with a brain wishes the Bucs used Scotty Miller at WR instead of all the wasted snaps Kieft, Brate and Gage got. Slowest and most compressed offense in recent memory. Got what they deserved.
And yet the speedy Scotty Miller only had an 8.0 YPC while in the games. It's almost as if speedy Scotty Miller's use wasn't the problem at all.
He had some drops for sure but I think his frustration came from an offense that didn't allow him to find rhythm...because lefty was designing plays for others, especially in the red zone, but nothing for Evans...
It's always a combo of things. Brady had a bunch of errant passes because the line stunk and he struggled to step into throws. He also refused to take any hit whatsoever.
But Evans just had a ton of junk thrown his way AND he played poorly... but lefty made everything more difficult than it had to be... never saw any schemed open. It was so vanilla that Evans routes were easily read etc.
This is why not playing Scotty Miller was such a big issue. Safeties were aligned closer to the LOS and screwing down more often.
I bet Scotty Miller's agent wishes you actually were a GM. He would have already received a big money deal after that impressive 8.0 YPC stat last season, instead of flailing around in FA.
And everyone with a brain wishes the Bucs used Scotty Miller at WR instead of all the wasted snaps Kieft, Brate and Gage got. Slowest and most compressed offense in recent memory. Got what they deserved.
And yet the speedy Scotty Miller only had an 8.0 YPC while in the games. It's almost as if speedy Scotty Miller's use wasn't the problem at all.
Do you think the safeties lined up the same when Miller was in the game vs when Kieft or Brate were in the game? When Miller came in the Rams game the safeties were barely on the screen in the All-22. So yea he only had 7.8 ypc that game but it opened up the whole field.
So yea he only had 7.8 ypc that game but it opened up the whole field.
Opened up the whole field to the tune of 3 FG's and a last-second TD for a grand total of 16 points.
Keep the dream alive, brother.
So yea he only had 7.8 ypc that game but it opened up the whole field.
Opened up the whole field to the tune of 3 FG's and a last-second TD for a grand total of 16 points.
Keep the dream alive, brother.
He didn't come in until late in the game. Didn't you watch the game?
So yea he only had 7.8 ypc that game but it opened up the whole field.
Opened up the whole field to the tune of 3 FG's and a last-second TD for a grand total of 16 points.
Keep the dream alive, brother.
He didn't come in until late in the game. Didn't you watch the game?
I did, and Miller's first catch - for a whopping six yards - was with 10:06 remaining in the second quarter. Lolz @ "he didn't come in until late in the game" b/s. You'll have to look for another excuse.
Other teams also watched that game and every other game from the season, and Miller is still a FA. There's reality, and then there's your perception of reality. I have to ask, why is it so difficult for you to admit that so many of these players you champion simply aren't as good as you believe them to be? I'm not even talking about prospects, I'm talking about players that have proven what they are in the NFL - yet you won't admit your inaccurate perception of NFL. It's fascinating to watch.
Summing up last season’s woes
“didn’t play Miller”
genius
Scotty Miller was not the answer to our problems but he certainly offers more than Brate.
Scotty Miller was not the answer to our problems but he certainly offers more than Brate.
Cade Otton was the TE though, not Brate. Brate and Miller probably had roughly the same snaps
The Bucs went from Gronk to Otton, from AB to . . Gage, I guess.
I dont know, but Miller probably had roughly the same snap count last year as the year prior. Two completely different team records.
Miller is/was a nobody, mostly because he cant catch or lost confidence in his ability to catch
Scotty Miller was not the answer to our problems but he certainly offers more than Brate.
Go back and watch condensed Rams game. Bucs are trying to plod with Kieft and the offense is going nowhere. Miller comes in and it's a different offense. Romo points out the DB depth when Miller is in the game twice.
-First play of the last drive.
-Evans, Godwin, Miller, Otton, Fournette
-Miller outside and Otton inside on the left. Godwin inside and Evans outside on the right.
-Rams in a 2 high shell, playing Cover 2. Corner giving Miller 8 yard cushion, safety 14 yards.
-Miller running a fade, Otton running a post. In this coverage the corner and safety are both reading #2, Otton. If Otton goes vertical the safety has to run with him and corner runs vertical with Miller. The corner carries Miller but the safety STILL FLIES OVER THE TOP OF MILLER. Before the ball was released the safety was at 24 yards on the numbers, vacated his zone and Otton gets 28 yards.
Go watch the film for yourselves. Miller should have been the clear cut #3
Miller comes in and it's a different offense.
He came in the early second quarter - at least. You may have missed that, considering you think he only came in late.
Keeping the dream alive…
Miller drops this ball in the end zone because it hits his face mask.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvUp1wJOozg
It his his facemask because he's trying to haul it in with his BODY. lol
They rand this play earlier to set up this opportunity for Miller. In the earlier version I think its Evans outside and he does almost nothing because the throw is going underneath.
So they set up the rookie (I think) CB only to have the "game changer" drop it
I think you're both right to some extent.
Biggs is right that Miller is mostly trash and would not have done that much for this offense.
JC is right in that he does at the very least spread the defense out a little...
The problem is the player... just like with Brate.
They BOTH lack NFL talent.
Brate has NFL smarts and route running but nothing else.
Miller has NFL speed but nothing else.
Both players on a decent roster would be cut.
And Biggs, a fair point about Otton. I just loathe Brate the last 3 years. He's been collecting paychecks for doing nothing.
JC is right in that he does at the very least spread the defense out a little...
This type of point ^^^ is a JC staple. Take a basic football tenet like "speed spreads a defense" and turns into support for a player EVEN THOUGH the player himself was ineffective
If you actually take the time to think it through, JC is HIGHLIGHTING how bad Miller is/was BECAUSE the Bucs desperately needed his style of play and yet he still couldn't get on the field consistently.
That's because of his many failures when given an opportunity, but of course on a message board that becomes GM or coaching incompetency . . even as you watch YouTube video pf the Bucs scheming Miller open into the endzone . . just to watch him drop it.
Nothing at all against Miller. He's made some good plays too. If you show out talent you eventually get on the field because everyone is trying to keep their job
I think you're both right to some extent.
Biggs is right that Miller is mostly trash and would not have done that much for this offense.
JC is right in that he does at the very least spread the defense out a little...
The problem is the player... just like with Brate.
They BOTH lack NFL talent.
Brate has NFL smarts and route running but nothing else.
Miller has NFL speed but nothing else.
Both players on a decent roster would be cut.
And Biggs, a fair point about Otton. I just loathe Brate the last 3 years. He's been collecting paychecks for doing nothing.
It's more than a little bit. There's literally video evidence of the Rams blowing a coverage that ended up losing them the game because the safety was worried about Miller and people still are trying to tell me I'm wrong. Meanwhile on Kieft's 17 snaps the Bucs had 26 yards!!!!! It's not that Kieft is bad, he's actually a good blocker. But it just condensed the entire offense and let defenses play downhill.
