It's more than a little bit. There's literally video evidence of the Rams blowing a coverage that ended up losing them the game because the safety was worried about Miller and people still are trying to tell me I'm wrong. Meanwhile on Kieft's 17 snaps the Bucs had 26 yards!!!!! It's not that Kieft is bad, he's actually a good blocker. But it just condensed the entire offense and let defenses play downhill.
As opposed to that single, solitary snap, there’s also video of speedy Scotty Miller averaging 8.0 YPC for the season - less than both Kieft & Otton.
Keeping the dream alive…
Miller comes in and it's a different offense.
He came in the early second quarter - at least. You may have missed that, considering you think he only came in late.
Keeping the dream alive…
Miller had 11 sporadic snaps in the first 3 qtrs and 24 in the 4th qtr
So, Miller did in fact play before the fourth quarter? And the team only managed three FG and TD? I’ll be damned.
It’s almost as if speedy Scotty Miller isn’t the game-changer you’re making him out to be. And the FA market is verifying that.
Would hate to have Evans rely on the deepball from someone like Baker.
But that has to be part of the equation. The deep threat has to be there even if you don't use it all the time. Teams have to respect it.
But that has to be part of the equation. The deep threat has to be there even if you don't use it all the time. Teams have to respect it.
Obviously. And, Mike is a deep threat regardless of who's at QB.
And, it was clearly obvious by the part of my post you conveniently omitted, that I was referring to Canales most likely putting Mike in positions where he's going to see some good looks schematically.
Versus the JV crap our last OC put out...even with a "Garden Variety version of Dalton" at the helm.
Miller's biggest problem is that he never learned how to catch a football properly. Watch how Godwin catches a football, that's how it's done.
Evans is an elite deep threat... Brady specifically last season was overthrowing him instead of underthrowing him...which is preferred. Specific to last season.
This was a staple of Winston for his 5 years...
I don't have data to back this up but I've noticed that Baker has been effective with the deep ball... especially the year the Browns made the playoffs.
That could be debunked with stats but the eye ball test tells me he could connect well with Evans.
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As far as Scotty Miller... he isn't an NFL talent. He's smaller than me in both weight and height.
I don't think he does much to improve this offense but I still think playing a speedster in general, instead of compressing the offense with 2-3 TEs, was the right move in theory.
When we had this group on the field, holy shit there is no speed:
Evans (fastest player)
Godwin (still not 100%)
Otton (average speed for a TE)
Gage (not fast)
Brate/Keift (bricks)
Julio (maybe the fastest if he was healthy)
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So who spread the field...? Well the simple truth is the LINE and Brady's pocket mobility spread the field more than anything.
I'm not disagreeing with you, but you still have to have a QB with some minimum level of deep threat, especially with Mike Evans. He will beat you deep, and so you have to respect that and that gives him the ability to get open. Mayfield doesn't seem to throw a ton of INTs (although he does have a lot of fumbles), but he also seems to have a low yards per attempt which means not a lot of deep balls. He doesn't have to do it a lot, just be able to do it enough for the other team to have to account for it. Even if you hit him deep one time in a game that's probably enough.But that has to be part of the equation. The deep threat has to be there even if you don't use it all the time. Teams have to respect it.
Obviously. And, Mike is a deep threat regardless of who's at QB.
And, it was clearly obvious by the part of my post you conveniently omitted, that I was referring to Canales most likely putting Mike in positions where he's going to see some good looks schematically.
Versus the JV crap our last OC put out...even with a "Garden Variety version of Dalton" at the helm.
but you still have to have a QB with some minimum level of deep threat, especially with Mike Evans.
Evans was putting up numbers with McCown and Glennon at QB.
It doesn't matter who the Qb is. Evans has, is, and will be respected as a deep threat until proven otherwise.
Brate has NFL smarts and route running but nothing else.
A little more than 8 TD's a year for his career ain't "nothing."
Huge Evans fan but it will be interesting to see what happens with him with Canales. Hard to say because it is hard to say which version of offense Canales runs. Evans is probably good in either but the deep ball explosives is what fits him best in terms of physical abilities. He not quick as much as he is a long strider.
Godwin should really do well, if he's healthy, and I guess Otton too, or at least we will get to see what he is really about.
QB uncertainty impacts all of them though
Evans is an elite deep threat... Brady specifically last season was overthrowing him instead of underthrowing him...which is preferred. Specific to last season.
This was a staple of Winston for his 5 years...
I don't have data to back this up but I've noticed that Baker has been effective with the deep ball... especially the year the Browns made the playoffs.
That could be debunked with stats but the eye ball test tells me he could connect well with Evans.
...
As far as Scotty Miller... he isn't an NFL talent. He's smaller than me in both weight and height.
I don't think he does much to improve this offense but I still think playing a speedster in general, instead of compressing the offense with 2-3 TEs, was the right move in theory.
When we had this group on the field, holy shit there is no speed:
Evans (fastest player)
Godwin (still not 100%)
Otton (average speed for a TE)
Gage (not fast)
Brate/Keift (bricks)
Julio (maybe the fastest if he was healthy)
...
So who spread the field...? Well the simple truth is the LINE and Brady's pocket mobility spread the field more than anything.
If Miller didn't have NFL talent he wouldn't have made those plays in 2020. They invested in AB, phased out Miller and it bit them in the ass. I thought the turning point with Miller being phased back into the offense was indeed that Rams game but they phased him out after the bye week and got what they deserved the rest of the season. Miller had a fairly high snap count vs Carolina Week 18. I'll go back and look and what the coverages were.
Evans is an elite deep threat... Brady specifically last season was overthrowing him instead of underthrowing him...which is preferred. Specific to last season.
This was a staple of Winston for his 5 years...
I don't have data to back this up but I've noticed that Baker has been effective with the deep ball... especially the year the Browns made the playoffs.
That could be debunked with stats but the eye ball test tells me he could connect well with Evans.
...
As far as Scotty Miller... he isn't an NFL talent. He's smaller than me in both weight and height.
I don't think he does much to improve this offense but I still think playing a speedster in general, instead of compressing the offense with 2-3 TEs, was the right move in theory.
When we had this group on the field, holy shit there is no speed:
Evans (fastest player)
Godwin (still not 100%)
Otton (average speed for a TE)
Gage (not fast)
Brate/Keift (bricks)
Julio (maybe the fastest if he was healthy)
...
So who spread the field...? Well the simple truth is the LINE and Brady's pocket mobility spread the field more than anything.
If Miller didn't have NFL talent he wouldn't have made those plays in 2020. They invested in AB, phased out Miller and it bit them in the ass. I thought the turning point with Miller being phased back into the offense was indeed that Rams game but they phased him out after the bye week and got what they deserved the rest of the season. Miller had a fairly high snap count vs Carolina Week 18. I'll go back and look and what the coverages were.
Nevermind that was wrong game.
They invested in AB, phased out Miller and it bit them in the ass.
But Bruce Arians said the 2022 team (with Miller) was the "most talented" team during his tenure, that would mean MORE talented than when AB was in that role
Crazy how circular all of this stuff gets.
Many here absolutely recoil at the notion that the 2022 team was not that talented due to retirements, injuries etc AND THAT CERTAINLY IMPACTED THE PLAY ON THE FIELD
Now, your trumpeting Miller . . .when before those passes were going to AB and he was . . wait for it . . . CATCHING THEM . . for TDs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TS3qhRtqrE
They invested in AB, phased out Miller and it bit them in the ass.
But Bruce Arians said the 2022 team (with Miller) was the "most talented" team during his tenure, that would mean MORE talented than when AB was in that role
Crazy how circular all of this stuff gets.
Many here absolutely recoil at the notion that the 2022 team was not that talented due to retirements, injuries etc AND THAT CERTAINLY IMPACTED THE PLAY ON THE FIELD
Now, your trumpeting Miller . . .when before those passes were going to AB and he was . . wait for it . . . CATCHING THEM . . for TDs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TS3qhRtqrE
That's stupid question to ask BA and he has to give the politically correct response. He can't say, in 2022, that the 2020 or 2021 teams were more talented. The 2021 team was by far more talented.
As for Miller and AB. AB was obviously a better player but it came with drama. He requires volume and when he didn't get it you saw what happened. In 2020, including playoffs, the Bucs averaged slightly more PPG and Brady had a slightly higher QBR when Miller was the #3 and not AB. Before AB was on the Bucs or when he was hurt Miller was.... wait for it... CATCHING THEM... for TDs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ost5eJ9rt5o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1mqr4G87TY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1wdGME8V-E
