Mike Florio's job is to add 2+2 to get 16, and he's doing that, but he might end up being right. He's saying that Belichick's favorable comments about Licht on Manningcast could indicate he's lobbying for the Bucs head coaching job next year.
1) Belichick wants to win 15 games in a short time, two years is a reasonable amount, so if he wants to coach again it will have to be with a team where that's a pretty safe bet. Bucs qualify.
2) He won't want to be "shopping for the groceries" with such a short time frame. In the past he's been hands on every level of the team, but that isn't going to make sense for him in the situation he's in. And his downfall was that he was not good at being his own GM. He will probably want to coach on a team that isn't rebuilding, has a good GM he can trust, and a lot of the players and the scouting process are already in place. He's not starting from scratch.
3) The Bucs need a game manager. The #1 knock on Bowles is his decision-making skills during the game. That's the strength of Belichick. He could focus on game day coaching and a more hands off CEO type of approach overall. It's not Belichick's style in the past, but it's different now. He's been out of football for a year and he doesn't have time to start from square one with a new team.
4) With Coen it would be a win-win. He would have two years under Belichick and he would be the heir apparent after that. That's how they did it in New England. It would be incentive for Coen to not take a HC job elsewhere if he knew he was in line for the job here. And he'd have McVay and Belichick for his coaching tree. Not bad.
5) On defense, Belichick will probably want to bring in his own coaching staff, and Bowles upon being fired will probably be on his way to be a coordinator for another team. But there's a very slim chance they might consider keeping Bowles as DC, and Bowles might consider it as well. It would be almost unheard of for a fired coach to come back as DC, but it might make sense here. Arians semi-retired on the Bucs rather than going elsewhere. Bowles might prefer not to go elsewhere if he can continue working for the Bucs in some capacity. He could be DC for a year or two and then take a job in the front office like Arians did. It wouldn't be out of character for this to happen on the Bucs. Bowles would have to work with Belichick to bring in new assistants. He can't have loyalty to his old crew. He would have to accept a demotion which is basically unheard of, but it's to work for Belichick who I'm guessing he has a lot of respect for. Belichick is a defensive guy, so he'll probably bring in his own crew. So probably not going to happen but just leaving the door open for that.
So - it's just idle baseless speculation, not even a rumor at this stage. But it's just getting warmed up. Look for the idea of Belichick to the Bucs to gain steam over the coming weeks.
Imagine this: Belichick HC with Coen and Bowles coordinators keeping continuity, while Licht has the cap room to go out and get players who can take the team to the next level. We have a QB who can lead us. The Bucs have been pointing toward 2025 all along. It would be an exciting offseason, and I think it would put the Bucs in the conversation for a Superbowl. Of course, in the NFL things don't always go as planned. Exhibit A: 2022 Bucs. But it would be an exciting offseason with a lot of buzz for this team. I'd love to see it.
Never say never . . . well . . okay. Never
Kidding, but i mean so unlikely that its hard to even consider
I don’t see Bowles being fired. People on here talking like it’s a sure thing. You guys are in for a hell of a let down.
Also don’t see the Bucs bringing in Belichick, don’t see Bowles being on board with it, and dont think there will be a two-headed monster at the HC position.
Today, as opposed to earlier in the season, I do think Coen has made himself an HC option at OBP.
I think the team doesn’t want to be in the position to choose, and Bowles can make a stronger argument by finishing well…but it’s going to be interesting to watch as it unfolds.
Imagine this: Belichick HC with Coen and Bowles coordinators keeping continuity, while Licht has the cap room to go out and get players who can take the team to the next level. We have a QB who can lead us. The Bucs have been pointing toward 2025 all along. It would be an exciting offseason, and I think it would put the Bucs in the conversation for a Superbowl. Of course, in the NFL things don't always go as planned. Exhibit A: 2022 Bucs. But it would be an exciting offseason with a lot of buzz for this team. I'd love to see it.
problem is Belichick has a massive ego. Dude has 6 superbowls and now he is laying the pipe with a girl 50 years younger then him. He is going to pick like McDaniels or some other joke to call his offense.
I don’t see Bowles being fired. People on here talking like it’s a sure thing. You guys are in for a hell of a let down.
yeah i agree. i think next year is do or die for him. So the Bucs will miss playoffs this year and if they miss again in 2025, he's gone. He will have 2026 left on his contract but they will make a call after 2025 whether to extend or move on from him.
Also don’t see the Bucs bringing in Belichick, don’t see Bowles being on board with it, and dont think there will be a two-headed monster at the HC position.
Today, as opposed to earlier in the season, I do think Coen has made himself an HC option at OBP.
I think the team doesn’t want to be in the position to choose, and Bowles can make a stronger argument by finishing well…but it’s going to be interesting to watch as it unfolds.
well yeah original poster is pipe dreaming if they think Belichick would choose a place that he has to inherit coordinators/cant pick his own staff. Plus, you think Bowles would take a step back with the same franchise? no chance. so that's really not in the discussion.
Coen definitely making himself a name. The Bucs are putting up more points NOW without any receivers, then they did during Brady's last year and most of last year. The Bucs have a top 5 offense and are only losing because of poor head coaching decisions (source: pewter report staff saying hes coaching himself out of a job) and a bottom 5 defense.
I think it's about a 75% chance Bowles retain his head coaching spot and the hope is that Coen doesn't get a head coaching gig.
BUT....if the Bucs finish like 7-10, 8-9 with a top 5 offense and Bowles continues his streak of poor decisions, they i can see it becoming a tough decision for Bucs to try and retain Coen.
But that's where i'm at with it...next year's head coach will be Bowles or Coen.
Bowles - 3 weeks in a row of devastating decisions - playing Godwin late in meaningless time after Evans injury vs Baltimore, fake punt in own territory versus Atlanta after the defense has finally found a groove, and not going for 2 with little time left against the defending champs in their own stadium with Mount Rushmore of Qbs on the other side. He can't possibly get worse, can he? needs to go up from here
I think Belichick wouldn't take the job if Coen wasn't going to stay on as OC. He'd insist on that. Why would he want to change it? On defense I'm not trying to portray the Bowles idea as anything less than farfetched because it is. The only example I can find of a HC accepting a DC job with the same team is Gunther Cunningham with the Chiefs, but Cunningham came back after several years elsewhere. It's a gut punch getting fired, even if you are an NFL coach and you know it's part of the game. That's the main reason he wouldn't be back, but as I said the Bucs have their own way of doing things.Also don’t see the Bucs bringing in Belichick, don’t see Bowles being on board with it, and dont think there will be a two-headed monster at the HC position.
Today, as opposed to earlier in the season, I do think Coen has made himself an HC option at OBP.
I think the team doesn’t want to be in the position to choose, and Bowles can make a stronger argument by finishing well…but it’s going to be interesting to watch as it unfolds.
well yeah original poster is pipe dreaming if they think Belichick would choose a place that he has to inherit coordinators/cant pick his own staff. Plus, you think Bowles would take a step back with the same franchise? no chance. so that's really not in the discussion.
Coen definitely making himself a name. The Bucs are putting up more points NOW without any receivers, then they did during Brady's last year and most of last year. The Bucs have a top 5 offense and are only losing because of poor head coaching decisions (source: pewter report staff saying hes coaching himself out of a job) and a bottom 5 defense.
I think it's about a 75% chance Bowles retain his head coaching spot and the hope is that Coen doesn't get a head coaching gig.
BUT....if the Bucs finish like 7-10, 8-9 with a top 5 offense and Bowles continues his streak of poor decisions, they i can see it becoming a tough decision for Bucs to try and retain Coen.
But that's where i'm at with it...next year's head coach will be Bowles or Coen.
Bowles - 3 weeks in a row of devastating decisions - playing Godwin late in meaningless time after Evans injury vs Baltimore, fake punt in own territory versus Atlanta after the defense has finally found a groove, and not going for 2 with little time left against the defending champs in their own stadium with Mount Rushmore of Qbs on the other side. He can't possibly get worse, can he? needs to go up from here
The whole idea I'm advancing is predicated on the idea that Belichick is not the same guy or at least he isn't in the same circumstance. He's 72 years old. Maybe he doesn't even want to coach anymore. Who knows. But if he does he has two years max to win 15 games. He can't come in, be his same old self, be his own GM, and remake everything on a team in that time and expect to get 15 wins in two years. Not gonna happen.
I think Belichick wouldn't take the job if Coen wasn't going to stay on as OC. He'd insist on that. Why would he want to change it?
would not be so sure
coaches usually staff teams with established relationships. not always, but
Not the exact same situation, but Barry Switzer comes to mind. All the assistant coaches were retained from the previous year.I think Belichick wouldn't take the job if Coen wasn't going to stay on as OC. He'd insist on that. Why would he want to change it?
would not be so sure
coaches usually staff teams with established relationships. not always, but
Not the exact same situation, but Barry Switzer comes to mind. All the assistant coaches were retained from the previous year.I think Belichick wouldn't take the job if Coen wasn't going to stay on as OC. He'd insist on that. Why would he want to change it?
would not be so sure
coaches usually staff teams with established relationships. not always, but
Did not know that. Interesting
I doubt Belicheck is going to become the HC for TB.
However, I did see part of a podcast (not the manningcast) the other day where Bill was extremely complimentary of Licht and Baker. He actually said, "I love Baker. I love what he's been able to do in TB."
Take that with however many grains of salt as necessary.
OK fair enough. It's not a mainstream idea right now. But I challenge red boarders to pick one of the options below just because I want to know where their head is at.I doubt Belicheck is going to become the HC for TB.
A) Bowles will be the head coach in 2025.
B) Coen is already the heir apparent and will be the Bucs HC in 2025.
C) Bucs will move on with a different coaching staff.
D) Belichick is done.
E) Belichick will find a better HC opportunity elsewhere.
F) Bucs hire veteran defensive coach (Belichick, Rivera) and Coen is heir apparent.
You can answer more than one.
