B, D, D, D, D, and D.
OK I get that's your opinion. Do you think Jason Licht is of the same opinion? Perhaps he is. On the one hand we got Canales snatched from us and he might not want that to happen twice in a row. On the other hand the Dirk Koetter experiment was a failure. He got fired after two straight 5-11 seasons.B, D, D, D, D, and D.
Honestly, i could see Bucs making a splash move for Bill Belichick. Not saying it would be great but certainly an upgrade from Bowles.
BUT...here is the options
1 - 70% chance - Head Coach Todd Bowles, OC Liam Coen, DC Todd Bowles (defacto calling plays)
2 - 5% chance - Head Coach Todd Bowles, bucs let Coen walk for head coaching gig
3 - 20% chance - Head Coach Liam Coen (and calls offensive plays) in an effort to retain him, hire different defensive coordinator
4 - 5% chance - Bucs make a splash with Bill Belichick given the history with Licht, Josh McDaniels who was their coordinator for 13 years under Bill is made OC.
A) Bowles will be the head coach in 2025.
B) Coen is already the heir apparent and will be the Bucs HC in 2025.
Until yesterday BEFORe the game I would've said A, although it was looking dicey. Forced to choose then B
I can’t imagine that Bowles would step backwards, if things don’t turn around after the bye, he might either resign or retire…but he doesn’t have to.
Think Liam Coen could be elevated to HC, but if that’s the case, we would need to be looking for a DC now. One that can utilize the pieces we have in place (and some key guys who will be looking for extensions/cap space impact). That would set us up for a defense-heavy draft for the missing pieces we need to revitalize this defense.
Coen’s quick game got figured out late vs the 9ers. I know it is due to a lack of receivers, but as defenses have more tape on Coen’s offense, they’ll figure it out, and it will get harder.
Additionally, adjusting to HC responsibilities will have an impact.
For these reasons, I don’t think it would be a seamless transfer. Bucs, and many teams, can fix defensive holes easier than bringing in a new head coach.
Getting rid of Bowles may not be the foregone conclusion some fans expect.
PS: don’t know if Belichick is done, but can’t see that he would be coming to Tampa.
Bowles is done. Coen will be head coach.
The discussion should be about who will be DC.
If the Bucs go on another run and finish 6-1 or 5-2 no way I see Bowels getting let go much to my dismay...
If the Bucs go on another run and finish 6-1 or 5-2 no way I see Bowels getting let go much to my dismay...
that's a pretty big IF
They will be favored in 6 out of 7 games, assuming Dak is out. They will likely lose the Chargers, Saints, and one of the Panthers games so 8-9 is most likely outcome.
that is where i say its 75% chance he returns, 20% chance they try to keep Coen and pull a Lovie, and 5% chance they go all out for their Belichick.
if they somehow finish 10-7, then yeah Bowles keeps his job, like 99%, with the 1% chance they try to retain Coen.
If the Bucs go on another run and finish 6-1 or 5-2 no way I see Bowels getting let go much to my dismay...
that's a pretty big IF
They will be favored in 6 out of 7 games, assuming Dak is out. They will likely lose the Chargers, Saints, and one of the Panthers games so 8-9 is most likely outcome.
that is where i say its 75% chance he returns, 20% chance they try to keep Coen and pull a Lovie, and 5% chance they go all out for their Belichick.
if they somehow finish 10-7, then yeah Bowles keeps his job, like 99%, with the 1% chance they try to retain Coen.
seems spot on
If the Bucs go on another run and finish 6-1 or 5-2 no way I see Bowels getting let go much to my dismay...
5% chance they go all out for their Belichick.
seems spot on
1) Will Bowles be let go? I'd put that at 70% yes.
2) Will the Bucs go after Belichick if he's available? Pretty random, but I'd put it at 50% -if he's available. He would allow the Bucs to keep Coen in the fold and be heir apparent. He would generate ticket sales and bring some credibility that will in turn attract free agents and allow the Bucs to be a contender. 50% might be low.
3) Will Belichick be interested in the Bucs job if it's available? I'd put that pretty high 60%. We have a structure in place. He can expect to win his 15 games in a two year time span. He has an offense and quarterback in place, so he can focus on defense.
4) Does Belichick want to coach again? I'd put that at 90% because the reports are that he still wants to coach.
So those are random numbers I admit, but if you parlay those together you get about a 20% chance that Belichick will be the coach of the Bucs next year.
As to #3 what teams are rumored to be Belichick landing spots?
The Cowboys with an overrated roster where he'd be under the watchful eye of Jimmy Jones.
The Giants, a high pressure environment where he has no QB and a team that's won two games so far.
The Eagles where Sirianni seems to be coaching his way into another season.
The Jaguars who can't win and are tied to mediocre Trevor Lawrence ..
The Saints who are terrible and are in serious cap hell.
The Jets. Well, they're the Jets. Rodgers is done. It's a mess there.
The Raiders? It would take a miracle to get them to 15 wins in two years.
But the Bucs have a decent roster, guys under contract, cap space, a good GM, a good offensive coach with a good O-line and running game. Not a lock to win 15 games, but they have won at least 7 games every year since 2019. It's Tampa Bay where it's warm. Brady came here, and don't think Brady and Belichick don't communicate. Where is a better likely to be available landing spot for Belichick than Tampa Bay?
70% chance Bowles gets let go? That seems pretty high.
The dude has a .500 record since becoming coach so he certainly has a warm seat but put it at luke warm.
Year 1 - let down year, did not meet expectations but many look at it as father time getting Tom Brady (if not evident by Brady's own decision not to join a Super Bowl ready team like the 49ers.) We can all agree Brady was not performing at the level he was in 2020 and 2021. In any event, the Bucs underachieved and got destroyed in their playoff game.
Year 2 - They were supposed to be shit this year with all the dead cap space and had their best Non-Brady year since 2002 Superbowl win with Brad Johnson. Yeah, this run has bought alot of goodwill for Bowles
Year 3- Will they blame injuries? i dont know...the defense appears to be the problem on most Sundays.
70% chance to me would be if the Bucs finish 6-11 or worse.
would drop it to 25% if they win 7 or more games
would drop it to 1% if they win 10 or more games
remember, he has 2 years left on his deal after this year. Would think next year would be the make or break year for Bowles. They wont let him coach 2026 on an expiring deal so they will make the decision next year whether to extend or fire
remember, he has 2 years left on his deal after this year. Would think next year would be the make or break year for Bowles. They wont let him coach 2026 on an expiring deal so they will make the decision next year whether to extend or fire
This just about sums it up.
This is Ian Beckles probably summarizing how the Bucs see Bowles
“I’m not absolving Todd Bowles of anything,” Bowles said. “Ok, When Todd Bowles’ defense is playing well, it’s not his defensive calls, it’s his personnel.”
“… If I ask you who’s our best pass rusher, if I ask you who’s our shutdown corner, if I ask you who’s our shutdown linebacker, those are going to be very hard questions to answer. When you go back to the years that the Buccaneers were good defensively, you could easily answer all those questions.
“Todd Bowles can only be as good as the personnel put in front of him; some of that’s [on] him, some of that is Jason Licht. … The Buccaneers aren’t good everywhere right now. If you put Mike Evans in there, if you put Chris Godwin in there, we’re a different football team. Period.
“We don’t have them right now and I think Todd Bowles is doing a pretty good job off staying in some of these football games that could have went either way with the ball bouncing a different way.”
TRY TO ANSWER HIS QUESTIONS:
“… If I ask you who’s our best pass rusher, if I ask you who’s our shutdown corner, if I ask you who’s our shutdown linebacker
if you go back a few years you say . .
best pass rusher? We have TWO . . . JPP and Barrett
shutdown corner? We have TWO. . . . Davis and Dean
shutdown linebacker? We have the best in the biz in (younger) LVD and we have fast as hell young kid
if you look longer range we had Sapp and Simeon and Barber and Derrick Brooks.
(NOTICE BECKLES SAYS UP FRONT HE IS NOT ABSOLVING BOWLES. HE's just pointing out a truth and "some of that" is Bowles, some on Licht.)
Keep an eye out for the Eagles. Sirianni contract runs through the 2025 season. i think Eagles clearly will make playoffs this year, but another first round playoff exit and he is toast. No way they extend him and wont let him coach out his final year. Could they make a splash with Bill B? and he certainly would want to go to a team that has their talent.
As for the Cowboys, unless Jerry Jones takes a step back, not sure Bill B would want to join that shitshow. Would be supirsed if they didnt start fresh and move on from Mccarthy.
these are two teams i can see Bill B putting ahead of Tampa. Our best 2 weapons on offense are old man Evans and oft injured Godwin. We are a team that has been .500 the last 3 years whereas Eagles and less so Cowboys can show the ability to win 11-13 games with their roster. Bill wants that wins record.
OK fair enough. It's not a mainstream idea right now. But I challenge red boarders to pick one of the options below just because I want to know where their head is at.I doubt Belicheck is going to become the HC for TB.
A) Bowles will be the head coach in 2025.
B) Coen is already the heir apparent and will be the Bucs HC in 2025.
C) Bucs will move on with a different coaching staff.
D) Belichick is done.
E) Belichick will find a better HC opportunity elsewhere.
F) Bucs hire veteran defensive coach (Belichick, Rivera) and Coen is heir apparent.
You can answer more than one.
Ftr, I think there's more buzz about Bill coming to TB than I think is warranted, but that's just my personal opinion. I posted what I did because of that. I was honestly surprised by how enthusiastic Bill was when praising both Licht and Baker. In particular, Baker, because Baker's gunslinger style seems antithetical to how Bill would want to operate offensively. But he was practically gushing about Mayfield, which really surprised me.
However, since you asked, I think the most likely option would be promoting Liam to HC, though I don't necessarily like the idea. And it's not that I don't think Coen could do the job, I think it's just too soon. I'd rather see him get at least one more season under his belt as OC, both for his and Baker's development.
However, if the Glazers were willing to accept that the resulting season might be a little rocky at first while Coen got fully integrated into the job and give him a good DC, plus a decent amount of leash, I think Coen would make a good HC. It just would probably take a couple seasons. Maybe not, maybe he hits the ground running, I'm just going with historical precedent there mostly.
The option I think would allow Coen and Baker the best chance to fully develop, plus get the defense back on track the fastest, would be to hire a defensive-minded DC like Spags. He could turn the defense around in a short amount of time given the talent already there and has the aggressiveness to make offensive-minded decisions, while staying out of the OC's way in-game, imo.
Ymmv.