So everyone agrees we get a new left handed QB and we draft a LT to be RT and move or RT back to G and leave Wirfs at LT …. With a left handed QB who will save the Bucs $ in 2025
I'm not advocating for Penix. I'm just saying every position is on the table in round 1 except for RB (because it's a stupid position to draft high), iDL and safety.
You want to make fun of me for suggesting we move up for a tackle (that's exactly how we got Wirfs dumbass). All I'm doing is trying to fix the problem on the right side of the OL. Mauch gave up a pressure 27% of drop backs and Goedeke 21% of drop backs. Goedeke was average for RTs and Mauch was basically a practice squad player that fans like because he has long red hair and no teeth. Fits right in with the fan base.
You want to make fun of me for suggesting we move up for a tackle
I am making fun of you for refusing to answer a simple question about whether your plan is likely
JC, anyone who has seen you post a bot has to see it coming. Next season you’ll be saying stuff like “see, if Licht knew what he was doing he would’ve drafted that LT … to play RT … so we would’ve moved our RT to G”
you’ll probably post that after two of our Guards are injured … because “Licht should’ve accounted for that!”
yeah, you’ll probably post something like that when Licht is getting recognized by AP for being one of the best GMs in the league.
or maybe in week 16 when Scotty Miller catches his 6th pass of the season
:-)
(your posts create a lot of material!)
You want to make fun of me for suggesting we move up for a tackle (that's exactly how we got Wirfs dumbass).
First off, I wouldn't call others dumbasses when you're trying to compare moving up from #26 to within the Top-15 (and maybe higher) to moving up one spot from #14 to #13. The draft capital we'd have to give up isn't even remotely comparable.
Secondly, you ripped Licht for moving up for Wirfs because you said he'd be a guard.
Lastly, if you were the GM, we wouldn't even get Wirfs, because we'd still be paying for your genius move to trade 3 first round picks for Bradley Chubb.
It's essentially a 2 year deal.
Wrong.
It's essentially a series of one-year deals.
This isn't difficult to understand.
You want to make fun of me for suggesting we move up for a tackle (that's exactly how we got Wirfs dumbass).
First off, I wouldn't call others dumbasses when you're trying to compare moving up from #26 to within the Top-15 (and maybe higher) to moving up one spot from #14 to #13. The draft capital we'd have to give up isn't even remotely comparable.
Secondly, you ripped Licht for moving up for Wirfs because you said he'd be a guard.
Lastly, if you were the GM, we wouldn't even get Wirfs, because we'd still be paying for your genius move to trade 3 first round picks for Bradley Chubb.
I had Wirfs was my #2 OT that draft behind Andrew Thomas. I never said he couldn't play tackle, I just said he would be a Hall of Fame guard pre-draft. Only other player I put a Hall of Fame grade on was JJ Watt and I could made fun of that the entire pre-draft process.
Don't know where this Chubb stuff is coming from. My obsession in the 2018 draft was Connor Williams. Biggs will attest to that.
My obsession in the 2018 draft was Connor Williams. Biggs will attest to that.
I don't recall the Chubb stuff (not saying it didn't happen) but I can verify this is true.
My obsession in the 2018 draft was Connor Williams. Biggs will attest to that.
I don't recall the Chubb stuff (not saying it didn't happen) but I can verify this is true.
You know what, you're right. That was the Orlando Brown is a generational, HoF, blue chip prospect and Quenton Nelson is garbage draft.
He was wanting to trade multiple 1st rounders to move up and take Josh Allen the following year.
Either way, him comparing moving up from the bottom of the 1st to the top half of the draft to moving up one pick is comical.
Not nearly as comical as burning it on a RT, when we have the worst center in the league and dogshit at both guards.
Either way, him comparing moving up from the bottom of the 1st to the top half of the draft to moving up one pick is comical.
Agreed.
My obsession in the 2018 draft was Connor Williams. Biggs will attest to that.
I don't recall the Chubb stuff (not saying it didn't happen) but I can verify this is true.
You know what, you're right. That was the Orlando Brown is a generational, HoF, blue chip prospect and Quenton Nelson is garbage draft.
He was wanting to trade multiple 1st rounders to move up and take Josh Allen the following year.
Either way, him comparing moving up from the bottom of the 1st to the top half of the draft to moving up one pick is comical.
Not nearly as comical as burning it on a RT, when we have the worst center in the league and dogshit at both guards.
I said Orlando Brown was blue chip but never HOF. He's had a very good career by the way. Nelson is overrated, he was only getting accolades early in his career because of the pre-draft hype. He's an above average guard. Nelson was a horrible value pick and is a horrible contract.
Now for the checkmate. You're clearly making things up now. Explain how I was advocating trading up, with multiple first rounders, FOR A PLAYER THAT WAS ON THE BOARD WHEN THEY PICKED DEVIN WHITE.
Here's the breakdown in simple terms. Bakers salary for 2025 is $30 mil. The dead cap is $33 mil. Salary for 2026 is $40 mil. The dead cap is $17 mil. The former is not good at all. It would suck. The latter is not ideal because that means we're done with Baker, but it's acceptable losses.It's essentially a 2 year deal.
Wrong.
It's essentially a series of one-year deals.
This isn't difficult to understand.
I suppose you could say any contract is a series of one year deals because you can basically cut loose any time if you are willing to take the hit. Do you want to go through 2025, a year when the Bucs are supposedly primed for a Superbowl run, with a 2nd year QB and $33 mil dead cap hit -again- for a QB who you sent packing? I don't think that's the plan. It was fine with Brady because he brought us a Superbowl. If Baker is gone after a year - it's not because we won a Superbowl.
This is basically a two-year plan for Baker. A two year plan for Evans. A two-year plan for Bowles to win a Superbowl. After that Evans is gone. Baker - they reassess. And probably the end of the line for Bowles - of course it depends on the details. 2025 is the year when this soft rebuild or whatever you want to call it is expected to bear fruit. "Hope" for 2024, "Expect" for 2025.
You can call it what you want, one year deals, two year deal, whatever. The Bucs are taking a two-year shot with Baker. If he's gone after this year it's because he had a total Hindenburg style blowout of a season.
I said Orlando Brown was blue chip but never HOF. He's had a very good career by the way. Nelson is overrated, he was only getting accolades early in his career because of the pre-draft hype. He's an above average guard. Nelson was a horrible value pick and is a horrible contract.
Sure you didn't kiddo.
And, speaking of your vaunted (and well documented analysis of Nelson and Brown), let's compare some things:
One player has never had a PFF offensive grade of 78 or higher. The other has multiple.
One player has 4 Pro Bowls. The other has 6 pro bowls.
One player has ZERO AP nods. The other has 4 of them
I'll let you figure out who's who.
Explain how I was advocating trading up, with multiple first rounders, FOR A PLAYER THAT WAS ON THE BOARD WHEN THEY PICKED DEVIN WHITE.
Because you were doing it BEFORE the draft, dipshit.
Speaking of making stuff up...
...you're the poster who claimed to be a fucking GM.
So, checkmate that, Mr. McCown.
Do you want to go through 2025, a year when the Bucs are supposedly primed for a Superbowl run, with a 2nd year QB and $33 mil dead cap hit -again- for a QB who you sent packing?
Lol. According to who?
Here's the breakdown in simple terms. Bakers salary for 2025 is $30 mil. The dead cap is $33 mil. Salary for 2026 is $40 mil. The dead cap is $17 mil.
I'll give you a better breakdown in simpler terms.
Baker's ACTUAL cap hit (because it involves more than his salary) in 2025 is $35,775,000. Not the $30M you said.
His dead cap is $33,100,000.
If he's a post-June release, his dead cap would be $15,775,000 in 2025 and $17,325,000 in 2026.
So, if this were to happen, there would actually be a $20M savings in 2025.
Again, doubtful that would happen (and that they'll at least see him through 2025), but it is in fact a series of one-year deals.
I believe I've read SR talking about it, but don't remember exactly. Could have been somebody else. Every team, well at least most teams, have a game plan for when they are gearing up to go all in for a championship. Obviously reality interferes with those plans most of the time. When do you think the Bucs are pointing towards? Last year they were eating up salary cap and stocking up on rookies while going 9-8. This year I think they'll still be stocking up with some more young players and looking to improve on that. I don't think there's much talk about the Bucs competing for the Superbowl. 2025 is the year they'll be able have retooled enough to make a run.Do you want to go through 2025, a year when the Bucs are supposedly primed for a Superbowl run, with a 2nd year QB and $33 mil dead cap hit -again- for a QB who you sent packing?
Lol. According to who?
Every team has to point toward something. I think the Bucs are pointing toward 2025. That doesn't mean I'm predicting they're going to win the Superbowl. Every team has a plan that involves more than just doing their best every year. What do you think the Bucs plan is?
I believe I've read SR talking about it, but don't remember exactly. Could have been somebody else. Every team, well at least most teams, have a game plan for when they are gearing up to go all in for a championship. Obviously reality interferes with those plans most of the time. When do you think the Bucs are pointing towards? Last year they were eating up salary cap and stocking up on rookies while going 9-8. This year I think they'll still be stocking up with some more young players and looking to improve on that. I don't think there's much talk about the Bucs competing for the Superbowl. 2025 is the year they'll be able have retooled enough to make a run.
Every team has to point toward something. I think the Bucs are pointing toward 2025. That doesn't mean I'm predicting they're going to win the Superbowl. Every team has a plan that involves more than just doing their best every year. What do you think the Bucs plan is?
Bro, all I asked was who said we’re primed for a SB run in 2025?
Should’ve been a simple response and not some long winded diatribe that produced zero answers.
That being said, I’m glad you finally agreed that Baker’s contract is a series of one year deals. 👍
