"supposedly". I said don't remember who said it but somebody did. I'm not just making it up. But when I read it it didn't strike me as controversial. It seems like a pretty logical target point the way things have gone and the way they're progressing. You neglected to offer your opinion. Do you think they're pointing toward 2025 or another year? Or they're not pointing toward any year?I believe I've read SR talking about it, but don't remember exactly. Could have been somebody else. Every team, well at least most teams, have a game plan for when they are gearing up to go all in for a championship. Obviously reality interferes with those plans most of the time. When do you think the Bucs are pointing towards? Last year they were eating up salary cap and stocking up on rookies while going 9-8. This year I think they'll still be stocking up with some more young players and looking to improve on that. I don't think there's much talk about the Bucs competing for the Superbowl. 2025 is the year they'll be able have retooled enough to make a run.
Every team has to point toward something. I think the Bucs are pointing toward 2025. That doesn't mean I'm predicting they're going to win the Superbowl. Every team has a plan that involves more than just doing their best every year. What do you think the Bucs plan is?
Bro, all I asked was who said we’re primed for a SB run in 2025?
Should’ve been a simple response and not some long winded diatribe that produced zero answers.
That being said, I’m glad you finally agreed that Baker’s contract is a series of one year deals. 👍
Baker’s deal is a great deal, he earned it. It’s a deal that gives us a competent QB, AND allows us to build a team that can can play to his strengths…and maybe a running game that can take some of the pressure off of him, which seems to be what the team is focusing on.I believe I've read SR talking about it, but don't remember exactly. Could have been somebody else. Every team, well at least most teams, have a game plan for when they are gearing up to go all in for a championship. Obviously reality interferes with those plans most of the time. When do you think the Bucs are pointing towards? Last year they were eating up salary cap and stocking up on rookies while going 9-8. This year I think they'll still be stocking up with some more young players and looking to improve on that. I don't think there's much talk about the Bucs competing for the Superbowl. 2025 is the year they'll be able have retooled enough to make a run.
Every team has to point toward something. I think the Bucs are pointing toward 2025. That doesn't mean I'm predicting they're going to win the Superbowl. Every team has a plan that involves more than just doing their best every year. What do you think the Bucs plan is?
Bro, all I asked was who said we’re primed for a SB run in 2025?
Should’ve been a simple response and not some long winded diatribe that produced zero answers.
That being said, I’m glad you finally agreed that Baker’s contract is a series of one year deals. 👍
While I think the goal for nearly every team, every year, is the Superbowl, the most I think you can hope for in 2024, is getting through the season with 9 or 10 wins, make the playoffs, and then see what we can do once we get there.
We rebuilt the team on the fly & had some unexpected success, and a view to a potentially bright future. Not dismissing the fact that this is going to be a brutal season. That being said, I dont think this organization has a one year plan.
Baker’s deal is a great deal,
It most certainly is!
It’s a deal that gives us...
...multiple early outs if he reverts back to his old ways. And, one that gives us a chance to re-sign him to an extension if he magically becomes a consistent QB.
While I think the goal for nearly every team, every year, is the Superbowl, the most I think you can hope for in 2024, is getting through the season with 9 or 10 wins, make the playoffs, and then see what we can do once we get there.
Anything less than a divisional round playoff appearance would be a failure.
SR in his Battle Plan states "I’m going to follow that script to continue to build a team that will be competing for a Super Bowl in 2025..."
https://www.pewterreport.com/bucs-battle-plan-2024-scott-reynolds/
So that's what I'm referring to. At least in SR's mind the Bucs are pointing toward 2025. And that's what the contracts of Evans and Mayfield point towards as well. I think Bowles' leash got longer after last year. He still could get fired if the team takes a big step backwards, but if they hold serve at 9-8 or better he'll be back for another year. 2025 however is a different story. That's when the Bucs will be expected by the Glazers and Licht to be one of the legit Superbowl contenders, not just another one of teams fighting to win the mediocre NFC South barely over 500.
Rarely does the NFL follow the script, but it's better to have a script than to not have one. I don't think if you look at the national media and prognosticators that many of them will be putting the Bucs in the conversation for Superbowl teams of the future anytime soon. But we'll see.
Yep, nothing like having a good, competent quarterback on a 3 year deal, to start a new era!
Makes me downright giddy to see what new toys we land for him in the draft…these next couple of years.
Anything less than a divisional round playoff appearance would be a failure.
Depends on their winning percentage!
;-)
Anything less than a divisional round playoff appearance would be a failure.
Depends on their winning percentage!
;-)
I don’t care about the winning percentage. I care about the ultimate end result.
We made the divisional round last season.
Anything less is a failure.
Especially, since we signed the #1 FA QB (according to the National media), whom I also expect to have at least 4,200 yards and at least 30+ passing TD’s, at a 67% or better (or it’s a failure on the QB part).
I don't think if you look at the national media and prognosticators that many of them will be putting the Bucs in the conversation for Superbowl teams of the future anytime soon.
Exactly my point.
And, SR has historically had some of the absolute worst takes ever regarding anything and everything Buccaneers related.
I actually don’t need to see 4,200 yards passing, I mean, it’s kind of the point of acknowledging the establishment of at least mid-tier running game. If those running plays successfully develop more yards, those passing plays will just be gravy. If we can improve the running attack by 500 more yards next year - the offense will be better.Anything less than a divisional round playoff appearance would be a failure.
Depends on their winning percentage!
;-)
I don’t care about the winning percentage. I care about the ultimate end result.
We made the divisional round last season.
Anything less is a failure.
Especially, since we signed the #1 FA QB (according to the National media), whom I also expect to have at least 4,200 yards and at least 30+ passing TD’s, at a 67% or better (or it’s a failure on the QB part).
Winning more than you lose is the goal - being ahead in each quarter of the season
I want consistency in the passing & running game, a more balanced attack, no single area for defenses to attack.
STOPPING the opposition’s passing attack is JUST as important, to the TEAM.
I actually don’t need to see 4,200 yards passing
Considering we re-signed the unanimous and consensus #1 FA QB, have what we’ve invested in Evans and Godwin over the years, etc.
An expectation of 4,200 and 30+ TD’s is more than fair. Dak and Kirk have done it numerous times, and I have it on good authority, that Baker is VASTLY SUPERIOR to those guys.
As much as I want to hammer the defense this draft, my mindset has shifted a bit.
Last year’s defense was ranked 7th in points allowed. The offense was ranked 20th in points scored.
Need two new IOL and Godwin’s replacement within the first 4 rounds.
I pretty much agree. Here's what Coen says he wants "I actually don’t need to see 4,200 yards passing
Considering we re-signed the unanimous and consensus #1 FA QB, have what we’ve invested in Evans and Godwin over the years, etc.
An expectation of 4,200 and 30+ TD’s is more than fair. Dak and Kirk have done it numerous times, and I have it on good authority, that Baker is VASTLY SUPERIOR to those guys.
As much as I want to hammer the defense this draft, my mindset has shifted a bit.
Last year’s defense was ranked 7th in points allowed. The offense was ranked 20th in points scored.
Need two new IOL and Godwin’s replacement within the first 4 rounds.
“Now, we’re talking about, ‘Well, can we put a little more on the guys? Can we put a little bit more on the quarterback, the center and some of those guys to be able to change the play (and) get us into really advantageous looks, so that we run into better numbers and cleaner looks?’ That’s something that I think these guys are eager for. They’re eager for more.”
If you read between the lines there, that's kind of a knock on Canales who emphasized a balanced offense but still came in dead last in rushing because he as any fan could see they ran a lot but didn't do a good job of finding the right spot to run to. Are you going to be able to put a rookie at at center and be able to put more on the center? I think this would be an indication they'll stick with Hainsey as the starter. Doesn't mean they won't draft an eventual replacement.
As for replacing Godwin, I think it will be interesting because a guy like Roman Wilson has a lot of similarities to Godwin in that he is a good blocker, versatile, a lot like Godwin. I'm sure Godwin is fully aware that he's probably being written out of the script for 2025, and that will be more painfully evident if they draft Godwin 2.0. If Godwin was in the plans at all for 2025 there would be a contract extension to defray the massive cap hit, but that isn't happening. It has to be the most obvious unstated thing that Godwin is playing out his last year and he'll be side by side with his replacement.
But yeah I could see 3 or 4 of the first five picks going to offense, or I could see Licht trading down with his first round pick to get another 3rd or 4th if he isn't in love with the same guys that the media keeps projecting to the Bucs in the first round. He's probably following a similar game plan as last year, picking up some bargain basement free agents and then flooding the team once again with draft picks and UDFAs.
Sure. Maximize that new QB with the new contract, but improving the run will actually improve the passing opportunities.
Not sure it was Canales stubbornly slamming the RB into the line, or a problem with Rachaad not being able to read holes, and no gear until he’s down the field…a lot of that is hidden by the limitations of the iOL. Hopefully it’s not a bit of both, think it may be. A change of speed back that can bounce outside effectively would be interesting.
But yeah I could see 3 or 4 of the first five picks going to offense, or I could see Licht trading down with his first round pick to get another 3rd or 4th if he isn't in love with the same guys that the media keeps projecting to the Bucs in the first round.
Wholeheartedly agree with this.
After all, we invested in a QB who FINALLY (and barely) popped his 4,000 yard cherry. Only took him 6 seasons to do it.
Let's get some IOL to protect the midget. And, who might be more proficient in ZBS.
And, as you mentioned, find Godwin's replacement (assuming he's not back, as we've both eluded to).
Knowing you have a competent QB, and having a year of learning his limitations - and the traits he possesses that are above average to elite - informs on those pieces you need to add around him.
The o-line is an obvious focus, but other positions could leverage some unexpected improvement.
The TE position could be one that is interesting, having one that can contribute to run blocking - as well as the pass game - could be a real game-changer. While it’s not a deep TE class, there are some interesting prospects.
But I will say this based on Coen's offensive style Nix or Rattler might be in play.
I hope not. Nix was not impressive when he played in the SEC.
Nix is accurate on the move and this is what Coen's offensive style is predicated upon. That is why Nix and Rattler can not be ruled out if they can move the pocket and also thrive in a motion based offensive system. Not to say Penix can not thrive in Coen's offensive system because he could straight up ball in this style of offense with 11 personnel emphasis.
But I have a feeling that Nix and Penix may be gobbled up pretty quickly at the top of the 2nd round by teams that do not take a QB in round 1. Penix might sneak into round 1 if a team loves him but more likely is a selection at the top of round 2 along with NiX.
McCarthy is going to find his way into the first round but how high is another question all together.
